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[–] Adramis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 42 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

It feels disingenuous at best to lump in people making $60k/year with Jeff Bezos and other billionaires. Just twelve billionaires account for 2,100,000 homes worth of emissions, and that's only the raw output of their travel and other direct expenses: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/nov/20/twelve-billionaires-climate-emissions-jeff-bezos-bill-gates-elon-musk-carbon-divide

Yes, we can all do our bit to help out, but workers pointing fingers at other workers will only ever benefit the ruling class.

[–] Pipoca@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Twelve of the world’s wealthiest billionaires produce more greenhouse gas emissions from their yachts, private jets, mansions and financial investments than the annual energy emissions of 2m homes, ...

“Billionaires generate obscene amounts of carbon pollution with their yachts and private jets – but this is dwarfed by the pollution caused by their investments,” said Oxfam International’s inequality policy adviser Alex Maitland.

“Through the corporations they own, billionaires emit a million times more carbon than the average person. They tend to favour investments in heavily polluting industries, like fossil fuels. ...

The carbon footprints of the investments were calculated by examining the equity stakes that the billionaires held in companies. Estimates of the carbon impact of their holdings was calculated using the company’s declarations on scope 1 emissions – direct emissions from sources owned or controlled by a company – and scope 2, indirect emissions.

Most of that isn't their direct expenses, but from the businesses they own. Their actual travel and direct expenses are a small fraction of the emissions stated in that:

A superyacht kept on permanent standby generates about 7,000 tonnes of CO2 a year, according to the analysis.

“The emissions of the superyachts are way above anything else,”

The average carbon footprint in the US is 16 tons. 7000/16 = 437.5. The emissions of these billionaires is mostly not private jets and super yachts, and the emissions from super yachts and private jets are a very small percentage of the US's total transportation emissions.

[–] guacupado@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The emissions of these billionaires is mostly not private jets and super yachts, and the emissions from super yachts and private jets are a very small percentage of the US’s total transportation emissions.

I'd say their personal emissions for their luxuries are still significantly several times the average person.

[–] Pipoca@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Sure. In terms of directly produced emissions, most billionaires emit somewhere between 100-1000 times as much as the average American.

Which, yeah, isn't all that equitable. But there just aren't that many billionaires, and there's hundreds of millions of average Americans.

It's not like wealth, where the richest 735 billionaires have as much wealth as the poorest 166 million Americans.

[–] Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 11 months ago

Yes, we can all do our bit to help out, but workers pointing fingers at other workers will only ever benefit the ruling class.

Don't forget that you have more than one finger. You have fingers to spare to point blame at those who deserve it, and few of us in first world countries don't.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 months ago

Yeah, 1% of 8.1 billion is 81 million. So, it's roughly the top 10% of population of the wealthiest countries.

That includes both Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk, but also middle managers in marketing, astronomers, HR managers, air traffic controllers, etc.