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The Israel Defense Forces releases surveillance camera footage from Shifa Hospital showing Hamas terrorists bringing a Nepali and Thai citizen who were abducted from Israel on October 7 to the medical center.

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[–] paintbucketholder@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Isn't it weird how nobody ever says that Hamas is committing genocide when they don't give a fuck about where their rockets explode in Gaza, when they're murdering Palestinians who are trying to evacuate, when they're using Palestinian civilians as human shields, when they're firing rockets from civilian Palestinian infrastructure, deliberately making it a military target?

Does it just not count when Hamas murders Palestinians, or how does that work?

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Genocide is a focused/targeted slaying of specific groups. Hamas is murderous careless and wanton. It's not genocide. It's not good. But it's not genocide. Israel however, is largely targeting and slaughtering large portions of innocent Palestinians who've done nothing to them. Simply because Israel wants the land and wants to clear the people. Who've lived there off of it. And are simply using the terrorist attack as an excuse That's genocide.

I mean everyone hates Mondays. Let's be real here. But Monday isn't a terrorist neither is Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Sunday or Saturday.

[–] ApexHunter@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Two wrongs don't make a right. Criticizing Israeli actions is not implicit approval of Hamas actions.

The challenge here is that Hamas are generally considered to be the bad guys. You expect the bad guys to do evil shit.

Israel is supposed to be the good guys in this scenario. Being the good guys means you are not expected to do evil shit, and are supposed to do the right thing even if it is harder. Except right now they are doing orders more magnitude evil shit than the bad guys. I don't think it is unfair to call them out on that.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They're an Appartheid state (with explicit legislation that creates special citizenship classes by religion, with the Jewish Iraeli Citizenship having more rights than the Arab Israeli Citizenship) governed by an extreme rightwing government displaying most of the traits of Fascism - Militarism, Ultra-nationalism, reckless use if violence, even rabid racism against an etnic group they describe as "animals" - and the worst kind of Fascism at that, the could calculating hate-filled Germanic shit, not the "mild" version of places like Italy.

If Israel were ever the good guys (maybe at some point after the architects of Nakba left power and before they murdered Yitzhak Rabin) they haven't been it for a long time.

Buy yeah, if you unskeptically consume the propaganda about Israel from the last couple of decades that portrays them as a western-like white people with humanitarian values, it's natural you think it's a country of "good guys".