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Surveillance footage shows Hamas bringing hostages into Shifa Hospital on Oct. 7
(www.timesofisrael.com)
this post was submitted on 19 Nov 2023
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No one has been making that claim. So the only person who could lay it to rest is you. Since you're the one claiming that. Everyone knows Hamas has been using civilian shields. We're just upset about Israel committing genocide and using that as an excuse.
Y’all still haven’t read up on the Geneva convention hu.
You may be shocked to find out that the Geneva Convention is not the whole extent of most people's moral beliefs.
What do your moral beliefs tell you about how to conduct a war with zero civilian casualties?
We’d all like to know that would work.
There's a lot of fucking room between "zero civilian casualties" and the deliberat massacre that's happening now. Fuck you and your false dichotomy.
Ahh ok. Tons of military strategists on lemmy lately. Who knew it was such a prevalent profession.
Zionist, go home, you're drunk.
lol I’m an atheist from the US but ok
I get it. I'm the Pope. It ain't easy. But you should know kiddo. Two wrongs don't make a right. My buddy J.C. even says so. And I was unaware one could not be Zionist in the US. Solid logic there.
What hamas did was horrible. What Israel has done since makes that pale in comparison. Well that's not really fair. What Israel did before still made it pale in comparison. If you don't like people calling you a Zionist stop carying their water. There are no good guys involved in this conflict. Unfortunately just collateral of innocent citizens. Both Israeli and mostly Palestinian. Israel however, is the one with the power to change all this.
You can call me whatever. It literally means nothing to me lol.
Civilian deaths fucking suck but when the group you’re fighting uses them as shields, the numbers are gonna be high.
Edit: just looked up the term
https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/zionism
Huh. Looks like I’m a Zionist.
It's great and all how you can never actually address what was said. Civilian deaths could be much less while still addressing the Hamas problem. But I'm glad that you have accepted the definition as a genocidal ethno nationalist. That's what zionists are these days bubbala. And with how hard you are defending their genocidal extermination. Honestly I got to say it's very believable on you. So you should really do yourself a mitzvah and read up on things a little better.
I literally posted the definition that I’m identifying with but I guess you’re welcome to read into it. It won’t be representative of reality but I can’t stop you.
Your comments are a little hard to read though so I’m tiring of this particular thread.
Words and their meanings change over time. Composition of groups change over time as well. I have no problem with Israelis having a place in the Middle East. What I have a problem with is the far right Israeli government committing genocide. You don't have a problem with that and I understand that. But you saying that you choose to identify with the old definition. Doesn't mean much. The Nazis tried to claim they were socialist. The Chinese in the North Koreans tried to claim that they're democratic. No one believes that. Everyone understands what they are and that they're just saying that. Because what you say doesn't dictate who you are. What you do, dictates who you are. And you are defending one of the most bloodthirsty genocidal groups involved in this conflict. And I will say again fuck hamas. They are murderous deceptive and outright horrible people. But the Israeli government bears a lot of blame for bringing them to this point. Again, that does not justify Hamas or defend Hamas. It just says fuck the right wing likud government of Israel harder. For manipulating people to bring about this genocide.
And yeah I get that you don't want to continue this conversation. You have no response to any of this. Your only goal is to defend Israel. And it doesn't matter to you how bad you look because of it. You have nothing to say to change that fact. So why continue to try right?
Oh really, then why do I keep seeing it repeated on here over and over again?
Isn't it weird how nobody ever says that Hamas is committing genocide when they don't give a fuck about where their rockets explode in Gaza, when they're murdering Palestinians who are trying to evacuate, when they're using Palestinian civilians as human shields, when they're firing rockets from civilian Palestinian infrastructure, deliberately making it a military target?
Does it just not count when Hamas murders Palestinians, or how does that work?
Genocide is a focused/targeted slaying of specific groups. Hamas is murderous careless and wanton. It's not genocide. It's not good. But it's not genocide. Israel however, is largely targeting and slaughtering large portions of innocent Palestinians who've done nothing to them. Simply because Israel wants the land and wants to clear the people. Who've lived there off of it. And are simply using the terrorist attack as an excuse That's genocide.
I mean everyone hates Mondays. Let's be real here. But Monday isn't a terrorist neither is Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Sunday or Saturday.
Two wrongs don't make a right. Criticizing Israeli actions is not implicit approval of Hamas actions.
The challenge here is that Hamas are generally considered to be the bad guys. You expect the bad guys to do evil shit.
Israel is supposed to be the good guys in this scenario. Being the good guys means you are not expected to do evil shit, and are supposed to do the right thing even if it is harder. Except right now they are doing orders more magnitude evil shit than the bad guys. I don't think it is unfair to call them out on that.
They're an Appartheid state (with explicit legislation that creates special citizenship classes by religion, with the Jewish Iraeli Citizenship having more rights than the Arab Israeli Citizenship) governed by an extreme rightwing government displaying most of the traits of Fascism - Militarism, Ultra-nationalism, reckless use if violence, even rabid racism against an etnic group they describe as "animals" - and the worst kind of Fascism at that, the could calculating hate-filled Germanic shit, not the "mild" version of places like Italy.
If Israel were ever the good guys (maybe at some point after the architects of Nakba left power and before they murdered Yitzhak Rabin) they haven't been it for a long time.
Buy yeah, if you unskeptically consume the propaganda about Israel from the last couple of decades that portrays them as a western-like white people with humanitarian values, it's natural you think it's a country of "good guys".