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[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Elon’s “white pride” rhetoric stems from nationalism, which stems from the convention definition of “pride”

You're acting like Elon or a klansman (same picture.gif) sat down and read a dictionary definition and came up with this. He didn't.

Rationality and emotion aren’t mutually exclusive. Empathy has flaws, it causes people to become hijacked by emotion. Conversely, compassion is a choice, even psychopaths can be convinced behaving compassionately is in their own self interest.

Of course they're not mutually exclusive, you were pretending they were by saying someone's "correct" feeling of pride can only be derived from their own achievements.

Rationality is a man made concept. Humans are not purely or perhaps not even mostly rational.

So, I don’t accept the assertion that feelings are an acceptable metric for evaluating the validity of a claim.

What claim are you even talking about? You're the one tossing out claims left and right, like it's morally wrong to go to a pride parade unless you've personally experienced homophobia... Meanwhile you're side stepping the very relevant and obvious thing: that someone acting positively due to unearned pride harms absolutely nobody.

You're getting confused by rhetoric because you're overly concerned about the dictionary definition of co-opted words. Just because it's called white pride and gay pride doesn't mean that the intentions, the events, the attendants, or anything philosophically backing any of it are remotely the same. Straight pride is practically a homophobic hatred event, gay pride is largely a block party with fun and revelry.

[–] Zozano@aussie.zone 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's evident you're arguing in bad faith. I never claimed its morally wrong to attend a pride parade unless one has experience homophobia. I'm out, peace

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It's exactly counter to your main position about how only certain people are allowed to feel pride based upon certain earned criteria. But you do you, bud.

I wish you and people like you weren't so simply fooled by tricks of rhetoric as you are. But not only is that unlikely to change, you're likely to continue thinking you're actually technically correct in some way because you have a dictionary definition of a term and think that's an argument.

White pride != black pride

Straight pride != gay pride

Black lives matter != all lives matter

Edit: y'all are right, these things are exactly the same because they use similar language in their names... That's definitely not what a retrograde shit movement would do to try to lend legitimacy to their bullshit.... That's definitely not similar to what North Korea does by calling itself the "People's Democratic Republic of Korea" or anything. /s