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[–] twinnie@feddit.uk 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

I’ve never played this game and I’m reluctant to read into the internet echo chamber of hate around it, but is it really that bad? After all the work that’s presumably gone into it, how can it be so disappointing?

[–] kromem@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you like doing the exact same thing over and over on a thousand different planets?

Like go through the exact same building layout with the exact same decorations and exact same enemies several times over, but one time on a procedurally generated desert moon and another time on an ice planet?

Do you really like floating through glowing sparks in zero gravity in the most boring mini game since Pong? Would you like to play that mini game over 200 times to fully upgrade your character?

Have you ever felt like characters have too much emotion and soul in their animations and portrayal over the past few years of games? Want to go back to an era where they feel like they've been cut from cardboard and might as well be voiced by AI?

Do you love loading screens so much that within a brief bit of travel to drop off something in a game that's mostly fetch quests you see a loading screen a half dozen times and mostly 'travel' through menus? And don't worry - if you want more immersion and avoid jumping into menus you can still do that, and instead of six loading screens you'll get about a dozen!

Do you feel like games these days have too much variety in equipment and weapons? Want only a handful of weapon types to choose from, most of which are terrible and several of which are completely unviable? Do you want core gameplay mechanics gated behind skill point assignment to artificially pad leveling up?

If all these features seem like they deliver the game you've always dreamed of playing in 2023, then Starfield, the next-gen Bethesda game in development for a decade, might just be the game for you.

[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago

Oh wait you missed one - do you like it when games have really cool and creative mechanics like ship building and base building, which you can pour glorious hours into as something to finally break up the monotony, only for the game to tell you "fuck you, build it all over again loser" when you start their sorry excuse for a new game plus?

[–] Zoboomafoo@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Well, it's a roleplaying game where your choices don't matter, a dungeon delver where 90% of them are procedurally generated with nearly identical enemies, and an exploration game with very little to find.

[–] neokabuto@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago

where 90% of them are procedurally generated with nearly identical enemies

It's worse than that. The POIs are recycled almost exactly. They're made in a way where they could have been procedural, but instead we get the same dozen-ish of them repeated with the same things in the same place.

[–] Xel@mujico.org 4 points 1 year ago

choices don't matter

It was a painful experience to have to murder everyone in the scarlet fleet station to continue with the quest. I couldn't get rid of the bounty since it was in the millions by the time I was doing those quests.

It was just so bad...

[–] StephniBefni@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Idk, I think it's not the best game, but I also think it suffers a bit from "it's not perfect and we hyped the hell out of it so because it's only good that means it's horrible."

Like I will absolutely admit it's not the best game, but I enjoy it. 🤷🏼‍♀️

[–] micka190@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah. I was never going to buy it (not really a fan of anything Bethesda does besides Elder Scrolls, if even), and the game just looks like exactly the kind of game Bethesda's made for the past decade and a half. Not really sure what people were expecting. Like, yeah, Todd said it was going to be different this time, but he's been saying that for a while now. There's a reason we have all those memes about him. If people actually believed him, it's kind of their own fault at this point.

Yup, that's why I didn't buy it. I liked Morrowind because it was fresh at the time (pretty good side content, okay story), thought Skyrim was lame because it was just shallower Morrowind (worse everything except graphics). I tried one of the Fallout games and it wasn't my thing (worse character creation vs Morrowind, mediocre story, repetitive).

So I figured Starfield was going to be similar to those games, as in lots of hype with a mediocre delivery. And it seems I was right. Initial reviews praised things I don't care about and criticized things I do. So I'm glad I didn't buy into the hype.

[–] StephniBefni@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah I mean it's a Bethesda game, I like Bethesda games so I enjoyed it, if you don't like Bethesda games then prolly don't get it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–] Yggnar@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Because this is the first time since Morrowind that Todd's team has had to rely on their own world building, and all the talent that created things like the elder Scrolls lore are long gone. I could go on about game mechanics, but in my opinion this is where most of the problems originate.

[–] Frozengyro@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's just not that captivating. I put it down for Diablo 4, and planned to start back up after I was done with that. But I just have no desire to play it. To me it feels to slow/shallow. Even though it's the type of game that is normally right up my alley.

[–] RampageDon@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago

I haven't played Starfield, but saying you put it down for D4 is all I need to know. Cant even imagine the repetition of that game if D4 was your break from repetition.

[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

Watching a Starfield playthrough on Twitch was definitely captivating for me. So captivating that I started another replay through the Mass Effect trilogy

[–] Shiggles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

As someone who will upfront admit to not having played it, my impression of friends and online personalities alike is that if you really liked fallout 4, it’s sorta like an alright reskin with some obvious changes for space.

The people aren’t all crotchety assholes like fallout, and you’re obviously in space.

Gunplay clearly isn’t the focus, the story’s acceptable but not gonna blow your socks off, so it does kinda beg the question of what exactly it’s supposed to do better than any other game. BG3 has the RPG lovers captivated, bethesda’s gunplay has never been a huge draw, and the space exploration is severely limited and not a big upgrade from skyrim dungeon style of “huge open world” of all the same crap.

[–] corrupts_absolutely@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

u get bethesda game if u buy it, if u can stomach 3d fos, mw/skyrim/oblivion its the same thing - bad rpg mechanics and open world, so just fine if u like roaming around

[–] Dr_Cog@mander.xyz 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It's not really fine if you like roaming around, though. There isn't much of an open world, just many many small worlds with hand-placed POIs on some of them and procedurally generated stuff on the rest

I'm having a good time with the game but it definitely doesn't scratch the same itch

[–] corrupts_absolutely@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

the most hilarious thing ive seen is a humanoid enemy taking cover behind a plastic seethrough billboard, ignoring the protagonist right in front of it, and the billboard not being shoot through(2023 fps btw)

some of the dungeons being 1 to 1 in every set piece does make the experience much worse i think

[–] Amends1782@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

Wait a year, but it for steepl discount. You'll enjoy it but its extremely repetitive. I saw this after about 10 hours

[–] Aermis@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

It's fine. Solid 8/10. Once modding community gets the creation kit it'll be better. I personally feel starfield was more interesting the first 50 hours than skyrim was. Skyrim has a little bit more lore and depth but starfield is solid. It just promises so much. Skyrim is like fleshed out sears, starfield is like a strip mall with infrastructure for more, but empty.

I put 250 hours into starfield. I won't go play new game plus until creation kits comes. I had to play with some UI fixes, crafting changes, and a dozen or so mods that made starfield more my style of game, but that made it fun for me.

Out of the box. Eh. It's fine. But what the community can do is why I bought it. And people need to quit saying "the modders fix the game for the lazy developers!". That's not the case. Bethesda came out with a game that is OK as is, but it's because Bethesda always had a strong modding community that Bethesda embraced that makes the game better, and will be better when we get creation kit.

[–] coffinwood@feddit.de -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Starfield is a bad game because people want it to be a bad game. I read a negative Steam review that complained about the estimated 150 hours of the story were too short. One hundred and fifty hours. In the same amount of time you probably can complete Cyberpunk and The Witcher back to back.

Of course Starfield is far from being a perfect game. But some players' expectations can't be distinguished from entitlement anymore. To quote a movie title, they want "everything, everywhere, all at once". And yes, then Starfield must be bad.

I on the other hand really do enjoy it.

[–] Zoboomafoo@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think you're comparing a 100% playthrough of Starfield to rushing through the main quest of those other two

[–] coffinwood@feddit.de -2 points 1 year ago

No I don't. I had 100 hours in The Witcher including all three expansions and I think that's not what could be called "rushed".

In Starfield I'm currently at 90 hours and just built my first outpost and a decent ship. I don't know where I'm in the main quest but I've aquired only three powers and artifacts so far.