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We don't even have Universal Basic Income yet but libertarians are already arguing it's too large (arnoldkling.substack.com)
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[this is probably off-topic for this forum, but I found it on HN so...]

Edit "enjoy" the discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38233810

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[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

'people should die if they cannot work'

(I know he said 'local charities'/local gov but iirc in the USA they don't even get enough money to keep the infrastructure working, and the USA has an above average racism problem so the default will be starvation for a lot of people).

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

"local charities" is a libertarian phrase meaning "then perish"

[–] Evinceo@awful.systems 5 points 1 year ago

"The Treadmill and the Poor Law are in full vigour, then?" said Scrooge.

"Both very busy, sir."

"Oh! I was afraid, from what you said at first, that something had occurred to stop them in their useful course," said Scrooge. "I'm very glad to hear it."

"Under the impression that they scarcely furnish Christian cheer of mind or body to the multitude," returned the gentleman, "a few of us are endeavouring to raise a fund to buy the Poor some meat and drink, and means of warmth. We choose this time, because it is a time, of all others, when Want is keenly felt, and Abundance rejoices. What shall I put you down for?"

"Nothing!" Scrooge replied.

"You wish to be anonymous?"

"I wish to be left alone," said Scrooge. "Since you ask me what I wish, gentlemen, that is my answer. I don't make merry myself at Christmas, and I can't afford to make idle people merry. I help to support the establishments I have mentioned: they cost enough: and those who are badly off must go there."

"Many can't go there; and many would rather die."

"If they would rather die," said Scrooge, "they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 3 points 1 year ago

I thought it was bears.

[–] sc_griffith@awful.systems 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

if employment rates get too high it's considered an economic crisis and the government steps in lol

[–] sc_griffith@awful.systems 3 points 1 year ago
  1. make an economic system which is presumed to collapse at full employment
  2. make it so you have to work to live
  3. ?????
[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 3 points 1 year ago

Yeah, and they recently just admitted this, all this work stuff is just a scam!