this post was submitted on 12 Nov 2023
42 points (97.7% liked)
Canada
7230 readers
339 users here now
What's going on Canada?
Communities
π Meta
πΊοΈ Provinces / Territories
- Alberta
- British Columbia
- Manitoba
- New Brunswick
- Newfoundland and Labrador
- Northwest Territories
- Nova Scotia
- Nunavut
- Ontario
- Prince Edward Island
- Quebec
- Saskatchewan
- Yukon
ποΈ Cities / Local Communities
- Calgary (AB)
- Edmonton (AB)
- Greater Sudbury (ON)
- Halifax (NS)
- Hamilton (ON)
- Kootenays (BC)
- London (ON)
- Mississauga (ON)
- Montreal (QC)
- Nanaimo (BC)
- Oceanside (BC)
- Ottawa (ON)
- Port Alberni (BC)
- Regina (SK)
- Saskatoon (SK)
- Thunder Bay (ON)
- Toronto (ON)
- Vancouver (BC)
- Vancouver Island (BC)
- Victoria (BC)
- Waterloo (ON)
- Winnipeg (MB)
π Sports
Hockey
- List of All Teams: Post on /c/hockey
- General Community: /c/Hockey
- Calgary Flames
- Edmonton Oilers
- MontrΓ©al Canadiens
- Ottawa Senators
- Toronto Maple Leafs
- Vancouver Canucks
- Winnipeg Jets
Football (NFL)
- List of All Teams:
unknown
Football (CFL)
- List of All Teams:
unknown
Baseball
- List of All Teams:
unknown - Toronto Blue Jays
Basketball
- List of All Teams:
unknown - Toronto Raptors
Soccer
- List of All Teams:
unknown - General Community: /c/CanadaSoccer
- Toronto FC
π» Universities
π΅ Finance / Shopping
- Personal Finance Canada
- BAPCSalesCanada
- Canadian Investor
- Buy Canadian
- Quebec Finance
- Churning Canada
π£οΈ Politics
- Canada Politics
- General:
- By Province:
π Social and Culture
Rules
Reminder that the rules for lemmy.ca also apply here. See the sidebar on the homepage:
founded 4 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
Even just the NDP would probably be a step in the right direction.
Hell, I'll just be happy if we avoid electing the CPC and smol PP.
The whole "let's vote with the Cons to take the carbon tax off all home heating" is a big red flag.
The Liberals fucked up with their exemption. And the NDP leadership seemed to think doubling down on the fuckup was reasonable.
The right approach would be doubling down on incentives to get people off heating oil (as the Liberal proposal does), rather than undermining climate policy.
Ehhhhhh, poll numbers as bad as they are, I'll take whatever compromise helps keep the Cons out of power.
The way I see hit, small concession -> better chance at another Lib/NDP government to enact more climate change policy. As the alternative is watching the Cons burn the planet to the ground, I'll take that compromise. I don't love it but I also don't love the fact so many people are ready to vote Con. Sadly, I don't get to choose the world I'm in, just how I react to it.
It's not a small concession. As the article points out it's Canada's third highest source of ghg (13%).
My understanding is that the exemption is for homes heated with oil. The 13% to which you are referring includes ALL buildings and ALL heating methods (gas, electric and oil.)
So that concession is much smaller.
And of course, even if the concession were for the entire 13% who do you think will cut emissions more next government, a Liberal/NDP coalition (or either on their own) or the Conservatives?
The 13% is for heating homes through any means. The current exemption is for oil (8% of homes). The exemption that the conservativesproposed and NDP supported is for all heating. I'm not quite sure how commercial and industrial buildings are effected by this so that's a good point., and of course our electricity isn't 100% green yet.
At least as far as I can tell, the 13% is for all buildings, not just residential. From the article:
But the larger point is that even if this exemption were for the entire 13%, as recent polling has the Conservatives winning a majority I'd say any of that exemption is worth keeping the Conservatives out of power, if only so the climate has a fighting chance. That exemption would hurt a lot the environment a lot less than the "drill baby drill" motto of the Conservative party.
It's ABC.
With the Liberals being the status quo. NDP would actually move the government left (out of centre, but not by much). Greens need to be able to have a consistent message across their party to be taken seriously. Something they lacked in the last election.
It's sad that we all seem to have so many levels of "ah hell, I'll take that then" mental compromises.