Just once I'd like a post where everyone is chill and positive about stuff instead of focusing on negative
Edit: I dunno why I expect people to ever be capable of being positive anymore. Dunno why I bother.
this post was submitted on 12 Nov 2023
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Hard disagree, new star trek has had years to "settle in" and has shown almost no signs of improving on the things that make it poor quality - namely low effort pandering writing and a lack of respect for its audience. Alex Kurtzman and the executives are the problem, and they're not going anywhere soon.
I miss how campy it used to be. I feel they finally nailed it with Lower Decks and Strange New Worlds, but Disco and Picard were rough. Picard S3 was a little more tolerable though.
Camp is an intentionally over-the-top stylistic choice, it's a specific well defined style. It doesn't just mean "silly" or "cheesy". Star Trek isn't camp.
Sorry to be that guy but it's one of my pet peeves.
Plenty of Trek camp was/is very much self-aware and intentional.
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SNW S1e8 and trouble with tribbles. Just off the top of my head.
Also, many holodeck eps and the ones where everyone is horny.
I did enjoy Picard S3, but that notably didn't involve Kurtzman.
It 100% did involve Kurtzman. People out here just making up whatever nonsense fits their narrative. Clown shit.
All the exact same arguments that were made against TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT.
But way to look at the description of my post and say "Nah, positivity? Fuck that."
Thanks for that.
You can reasonably disagree with a critical response to a TV show without it being a personal attack on your positivity or that of your post. What are you looking for here? An echo chamber makes for a boring discussion board.
I think it's fair enough to expect writers to understand and respect the media they're working with, and I'd argue that the writing in all those previous shows was leagues more intelligent and considered than the stuff on Kurtzman shows. I get very frustrated at how what was a show about professional and considered officers dealing with clever sci fi scenarios is turned into an action slog "fuck yeah science" show. It's not smart or interesting like that.
EDIT: noticed your post above about the difficulties you're going through. We can disagree about a telly show and still respect each other, I don't think discussion spaces like this might be healthy if you're struggling with positivity. It's totally okay to like the new trek shows and there's nothing wrong with wanting to be positive.