No involuntary impositions of power and authority is the centrist position. The anarchist position should be no impositions of power and authority even if they are voluntary. A perfect example of voluntary power and authority is wage labor. By any usable standard, wage labor is voluntary. Anarchists should object to wage labor because it involves a hierarchy of alienation. This violates workers' inalienable rights, which are rights that can't be given up even with consent

[–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

When somebody asks for an intro to anarchism I generally don't feel it's super useful to get deep into the weeds of definitions.

The salient point is no "I'm your boss do what I say or you starve" maybe "You asked me to teach you, practice these tasks or find another teacher"

[–] jlou@mastodon.social 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I am using the conventional definition of voluntariness. It is the people that are suggesting that wage labor is involuntary that are using unconventional definitions of the notion of voluntariness.

Even if this more expansive notion of voluntariness was coherent, it would not be an argument against capitalism per se because capitalism can have a UBI.

Hopefully, a teacher does not steal the positive and negative fruits of the student's labor

[–] GeneralVincent@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

What if I'm really into impositions of power and authority though? Like REALLY into it??

[–] TheDarksteel94@sopuli.xyz 6 points 10 months ago

It's fine, we don't kink shame here

[–] jlou@mastodon.social 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Abolishing slavery did not prevent people from acting in a manner they wished. It prevented them from having the lack of rights of a slave. Similarly, preventing people from being wage laborers just means that that working in a firm would automatically confer voting rights over the firm and make management democratically accountable to the people that work in the firm

[–] GeneralVincent@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

I think you replied to the wrong comment? I was making a sex joke lol

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

No involuntary impositions of power and authority is the centrist position.

Lol! No.