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Former President Barack Obama cautioned against ignoring the complexities of the Israel-Hamas war, warning that “all of us are complicit.”

“If you want to solve the problem, then you have to take in the whole truth. And you then have to admit nobody’s hands are clean, that all of us are complicit to some degree,” he said in an excerpted interview with Pod Save America released Saturday.

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[–] coffee_poops@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

There's no "both sides" to this anymore. Almost ten times the people have been killed by Israel with almost all of them being civilians.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

How many times can you poke a bear before it decides it's done?

It's not an excuse. Israel's actions are absolutely disproportionate. I can argue either side, but that's exactly the point. Nobody's hands are clean. You don't have to condone Israel's actions to understand they were provoked.

There can never be peace without both sides admitting some fault. Two wrongs don't make a right. 9061 wrongs don't cancel out 1400 wrongs. That's not how any of this works.

What do you suggest Israel does? What do you suggest Palestinians in Gaza do? Until you think a little bit deeper, you can't just say dismissive, pithy things that only favor one side.

This isn't a sports team. You can't just pick a side and cheer for them no matter what.

[–] coffee_poops@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not advocating for Hamas, I'm advocating for the non-combatants who just want to send their kids to school.

[–] coffee_poops@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As Martin Luther King famously said, "Violence is the language of the unheard."

[–] jimbo@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

There’s no “both sides” to this anymore. Almost ten times the people have been killed by Israel with almost all of them being civilians.

Israel has killed ten times the people compared to who? Oh yeah, the other "side", who also has killed a bunch of civilians.

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

both hamas and the israeli government want war not peace you can't reason with that