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Well, the first thing has yet to happen.
Has Israel made any promises about respecting Palestine's right to exist?
Here is a list of peace offers which would grant the Palestinians a country of their own, they refused all of them
1937 - Peel commission, rejected
1947 - Partition resolution, rejected
2000 - Camp David, rejected
2001 - Taba, rejected. Arafat starts the second intifada and a year later changes his mind.
2008 - Olmert offer, rejected
Hamas have tried to agree to boundaries Despite media attempts to portray it as a new Hamas charter, it is not. The new ‘policy document’ accepts the creation of a Palestinian state in 1967 borders, but still rejects Israel and claims its territory. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-39775103
Here are some other noteworthy peace meeting or proposals from Israel to the rest if the Arab world, which were rejected
1919: Arabs of Palestine refused nominate representatives to the Paris Peace Conference.
1920: San Remo conference decisions, rejected.
1922: League of Nations decisions, rejected.
1937: Peel Commission partition proposal, rejected.
1938: Woodhead partition proposal, rejected
1947: UN General Assembly partition proposal (UNGAR 181), rejected.
1949: Israel’s outstretched hand for peace (UNGAR 194), rejected.
1967: Israel’s outstretched hand for peace (UNSCR 242), rejected.
1978: Begin/Sa’adat peace proposal, rejected (except for Egypt).
1994: Rabin/Hussein peace agreement, rejected by the rest of the Arab League (except for Egypt).
1995: Rabin’s Contour-for-Peace, rejected.
2000: Barak/Clinton peace offer, rejected.
2001: Barak’s offer at Taba, rejected.
2005: Sharon’s peace gesture, withdrawal from Gaza, rejected.
2008: Olmert/Bush peace offer, rejected.
2009 to 2021: Netanyahu’s repeated invitations to peace talks, rejected.
2014: Kerry’s Contour-for-Peace, rejected.
Not gonna link Trump’s imbecilic peace plan as an example.
Here is a list of peace offers ~~the Palestinians~~ the governing body of palestinians offered to Israel -
None
The fact of the matter is no one will agree to live in a portion of thier homeland, especially one were priced farmland and religious sites lay.
They have historically lived in the area longer than the Jewish population.
And what happened before 1940? And what happened before 1920? And what happened...
This conflict is based on religion. There will never be one true "owner of the land" because land doesnt work like that.
It's a vibes-based thing, then? Cool
More vibes, all vibes, just vibin'.
At the end of the day this whole thing is too big and old for me and all i will contribute is dunking on antisemites and contrarians
Don't confuse criticism of the Israeli Government for anti-Semitism.
I am not. But thanks for being so worried.
But the Holocaust happened so the state of Israel is allowed to genocide others apparently
I mean the jews that fled to israel were being genocided everywhere. This all started way before the holocaust my dude. This conflict is not one to be very wisecrack about. How far back do you look for who is the baddie and whos the goodie?
Yeah they definitely were, and that's awful, all genocide is awful.
Its hard to say how far back to look, one would hope as generations continue hatreds of past injustices (if anything was done to ease/reduce/eliminate) those injustices would start to simmer down on all sides.
Unfortunately very often prejudices are passed down to the next generation which just starts the cycle all over again.
Regardless, the Holocaust was horrible no question but that doesn't then justify the government of Israel getting away with war crimes, nor does me saying that justify in any way the horrible things Hamas has done. However it is important to understand context especially in the more recent past.
Understanding how and why the Israel/Palestine conflict has simmered would lead to how and why Hamas was formed in the first place, similar to how looking at America helped formed Al Queda to overthrow the Soviet-backed government of Afghanistan
The Nakba
The Jews were not the original inhabitants of the land. That claim is solely on early Arabs. They lived, settled and thrived for 3000 years before they were driven out by Canaanites.
Not only were the Arabs the original inhabitants of the area but they also lived there the longest amount of time.
Pretty much, yes.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/no-such-thing-as-palestinian-people-top-israeli-minister-says