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Can you substantiate that 2nd point? I haven't heard it anywhere before.
Source: Spanish TV.
There has been some uproar this week because there are over 10,000 Spanish citizens in Israel and Gaza, but the government only decided to fleet 2 military planes to evacuate 500 of them. Turns out, they were only evacuating the "tourists and people on business trips"... meaning the rest are not; they're people who decided to immigrate there. Following that, different reporters got hold of people "left behind", both in Israel and Gaza.
One of those people, was a lady who immigrated to Gaza 40 years ago, "to settle right next to the Israeli border", and now kept repeating how the Spanish consulate is ignoring her request for evacuating her 19-people family, with many children among them.
It's estimated that 50% of the population of Gaza are underage, meaning they're people born in the last 18 years, into a conflict that's been going for 70 years, from way before this lady decided to immigrate there 40 years ago and contribute to the population growth.
Source: Internet (various)
Some statistics about this:
Palestine demographics pyramid - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_State_of_Palestine
Israel demographics pyramid - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel
Population of Palestinian and Israeli territories - https://www.economist.com/special-report/2017/05/18/israel-still-rules-over-palestinians-50-years-after-its-six-day-war
Percentage of Palestinians and Jews in Historical Palestine in Various Years - https://www.pcbs.gov.ps/site/512/default.aspx?lang=en&ItemID=3734
Both sides are engaged in a long term (100+ years) strategy of trying to out-number each other, with sympathizers of each side migrating there to increase the numbers for the conflict. Since immigration into Gaza and Palestine is more restricted than into Israel, the former have been trying to churn out as many "new residents" (aka kids) as quickly as possible... who are now being used by Hamas as a humanitarian crisis bargaining chip.
Notice how even with a steady emigration of about half the population of Palestine every year, the total population keeps growing, along with a steady immigration rate of around 200K/year:
1990 - over 1.5M emigrants, population 2M - https://www.populationpyramid.net/migrants/en/state-of-palestine/1990/
2000 - over 2M emigrants, population 3M - https://www.populationpyramid.net/migrants/en/state-of-palestine/2013/
2010 - over 2.5M emigrants, population 4M - https://www.populationpyramid.net/migrants/en/state-of-palestine/2013/
2013 - over 3M emigrants, population 4.2M - https://www.populationpyramid.net/migrants/en/state-of-palestine/2013/
You do realize that poorer regions have much higher fertility because of much higher child mortality rates and much lower average lifespans, right? Fertility is inversely proportional with wealth and access to healthcare.
This isn't unique to Gaza. It's true in Africa, India, and pre-communist China.
Notice how the sharpest decline in Palestine's demographic pyramid appears between 14 and 34 years old, or about when people realize what's going on and decide to GTFO, and how that fits the constantly increasing emigration, while the increasing population —despite higher child mortality, lower lifespans, and extreme emigration— fits the profile of adapting fertility to and ideological parity with Israel's immigration rates.
Since you mentioned India:
Notice the low child mortality with an actual increase towards the age of 22. We could discuss the large younger male surplus, though.
I'd recommend you take a look at the demographic pyramids of countries in Africa. Mortality is steepest in the 14-34 range because that's when most people die.
That's nonsense. Feel free to investigate the demographics of the World, Africa, Niger, Ukraine, China, or the US, to get a feel for "infant mortality" or "when most people die".
https://www.populationpyramid.net/
Have you ever looked at the tool you sent?
Please, do put in Niger and find out (FWIW, your tool is very low granularity and I know there are visualizers that show it at a more fine scale).