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Hi! Jew here, the perfect person to talk about this situation!
The continued occupation of Palestein is not a good situation under any circumstance except that by Israel holding that land it prevents the neighboring countries from invading the area and starting wars with Israel which is why the land is held. Feel free to ignore the whole "it's our birthright, it's jewish land" cause let's be honest, even that's questionable in the torah.
Moving right along, the continued occupation is the reason for the attack, but that makes it no more correct. Innocent people, potentially including children definitely including teenagers, have been murdered.
With that understanding out of the way, lemmygrad was defeded because users were actively posting in favor of the murder and in multiple cases posting/hoping/whatevering for even more of it. Guess what? That's 100% against TOS of lemmy.world. I don't like the situation the two nations are in but advocating for the death of innocent people is fucking disgraceful.
I take it as frustrated leftists overcorrecting in the other direction in response to media coverage that ignores the decades of openly racist ethnic cleansing of Palestinians and treats this attack as some sudden unprovoked thing out of left field.
While you're welcome to take it that way, celebrating innocent deaths of any group of people is abhorrent.
struggling to reach escape velocity with this comment, wording it is mentally taxing but the later it gets the slower I think
I can't speak for anyone or read the thoughts behind people's words online, but I know people tend to say fucked up things when they are angry and I know people are really fucking angry right now, myself included. That doesn't mean I feel catharsis watching religious extremists slaughter a village of Israeli settlers or shoot up of a fucking rave β but I feel a kind of enraged grief. Because that kind of barbarism and extremism is the inevitable fucking result of what has been done in Palestine. Extremism like that doesn't spring up in a vacuum. When you hear things like, half of the people in Gaza are children, and half of those children struggle with suicidal thoughts, and 95% of the fucking water is unsafe to drink, and most of the population is unemployed, and then you turn on the news and all the politicians and media personalities are throwing their unreserved support to the government responsible for it... and then I go on lemmy and I see comments talking about Palestinians like they're some kind of hive mind, and getting upvotes for it, it just feels like these attitudes are why the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians can continue. And I'm helpless to do anything about it. It's fucking maddening.
The problem is comments like theirs in such large numbers do nothing to actually help.
It's kinda like if someone were cheering on a homeless serial killer. (Not that they are serial killers but follow the analogy for a second) Dude once had a decent life, good job, family, good house the works. Then things outside of his control caused all of those things to be lost and him wandering the streets and he decided fuck it and started killing people. Now add to it that all of it was pretty publicized so now anytime he kills people you have people decrying the murder but you have people cheering that he's getting back for a world that harmed him.
Neither really helps sadly. If you really want to help, I think the best solution may be to work towards a career in diplomacy with a focus on the Middle East and to spend significant amount of time brainstorming solutions for the situation.
Letβs add to this analogy that the entire media is pointing to this homeless guy as an excuse to kill other homeless people
Not wrong we could probably just ignore media these days and be a bit happier
This is true, but doesn't make it any less abhorrent.
It just doesn't work that way. Maximum tolerance doesn't mean intolerance for the average, unrelated civilian that happens to belong to the oppressing group.