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Hello World,

Today, after careful consideration and evaluation of recent events, we have decided to defederate from Lemmygrad.

Regrettably, we have observed a significant increase in hate speech and calls to violence originating from the Lemmygrad instance. Due to the severity of the posts and comments, we are not waiting for the next Lemmy update that will allow users to block instances.

At Lemmy.world, we have always strived to foster an inclusive and welcoming user environment. However, recent posts and comments from Lemmygrad have clearly violated our server rules and, more importantly, our core values. We firmly believe that hate speech and incitement of violence have no place in our community, regardless of personal beliefs or affiliations.

As always, we encourage all users to report any content they deem inappropriate or harmful. No matter one's stance in any conflict, Lemmy.world will always take immediate action to remove and ban any posts or comments that incite violence or propagate hatred.

We encourage everyone to continue engaging in discussions within the boundaries of respect and understanding. As we move forward with this decision, we remain committed to providing all community members with a safe and welcoming space. We appreciate your continued support and cooperation in upholding our shared principles.

Thank you,

The Lemmy.World Team

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[–] takeda@szmer.info 479 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Lemmmygrad supposedly is for people who support communism, but when talking to them, they really are supporting totalitarian countries which have nothing to do with communism.

[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 147 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It’s amazing what some state-sponsored troll farms can convince people of. Some people can’t evaluate content they see online critically and gobble up the propaganda

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[–] alvvayson@lemmy.world 102 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Whenever communists or socialists gather, the tankies take over.

It's been like that since the past 100 years.

[–] kescusay@lemmy.world 52 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I'm not even sure they're really tankies anymore (or the meaning of the word is changing). Actual tankies still ostensibly support communism, but all too often, it's blatantly apparent that they're actually right-wing totalitarians cosplaying.

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[–] SatanicNotMessianic@lemmy.ml 70 points 1 year ago (17 children)

The bit that really irked me was that it was purely performative. It seemed like literally the exact same community that populated the_donald with memes and Trump train bots and the photoshopping of Trump’s pic onto Rambo. Their posts have fuck all to do with communism just like the trump posts had nothing to do with conservative politics. It was just edge faux-outrage and basically taking an opposite position for its own sake. They could simultaneously criticize Gov Newsom for not signing a trans rights bill while praising Putin who is doing his level best to make being gay illegal. It’s a mistake to see it as political discourse when it’s really just trolling. Like on the_donald, they egg each other on and have their in jokes and memes (in both the picture sense and in the actual meme sense) about walls the same way the trumpers did with helicopters.

Defederation is the best response imo.

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[–] zeppo@lemmy.world 50 points 1 year ago (7 children)

That's my problem with it. For some reason they support countries which have nothing to do with being socialist or communist. It makes their philosophies and claims seem really inconsistent and not based on any real ideology. It seems like at most an anti-US, anti-EU ideology, and for some reason they scorn the same US politicians that conservatives here do, while never mentioning any problems with the people in the US who are even more against workers rights and in favor of unbridled capitalism. Also, the tactics of groups of people mocking people and comments reminds me of the shilled-out shit that showed up on reddit several years ago.

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[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 403 points 1 year ago (8 children)
[–] Speculater@lemmy.world 116 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They can have their little hate fest in private now! I think they wanted that anyways.

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[–] buzziebee@lemmy.world 59 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Yeah glad to see those fucks go. There's been an awful lot of bad takes filling up content sections on certain topics, every time I checked who had posted it it was almost always a lemmygrad user.

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[–] zzx@lemmy.world 49 points 1 year ago
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[–] Moghul@lemmy.world 263 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Thank fucking god. It's exhausting being around people for whom any meme, any post, any comment, has to spin into how good communism is, how bad the libs are, how good China is, and how bad The West TM is. It is exhausting.

[–] Edgelord_Of_Tomorrow@lemmy.world 121 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Communism good, therefore China good, therefore West bad, therefore Israel bad, therefore dead Israelis good!

What a fucking worldview

[–] Astrealix@lemmy.world 61 points 1 year ago (40 children)

Most of them have never spent time living under China / USSR as well lol. I'd like communism in theory, and I still think there's a possibility of it, but even just in Hong Kong the flaws of the CCP system of "socialism with Chinese characteristics" are very evident — and that's barely with any of the actual communism in Hong Kong.

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[–] Cornpop@lemmy.world 189 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Nothing of value has been lost

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[–] Genrawir@lemmy.world 156 points 1 year ago (12 children)

I just gotta say, the moderation here makes me so happy I joined this instance.

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[–] kescusay@lemmy.world 145 points 1 year ago (32 children)

Thank goodness.

I'm reminded of a story I read a while back - not sure where - about how if you let a Nazi into your bar, you eventually end up running a Nazi bar. I think the same applies to online forums. You let Nazis overrun a forum, everyone else leaves, and eventually you might as well just be running Stormfront.

[–] paris@lemmy.blahaj.zone 179 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Original Twitter post

I was at a shitty crustpunk bar once getting an after-work beer. One of those shitholes where the bartenders clearly hate you. So the bartender and I were ignoring one another when someone sits next to me and he immediately says, "no. get out."

And the dude next to me says, "hey i'm not doing anything, i'm a paying customer." and the bartender reaches under the counter for a bat or something and says, "out. now." and the dude leaves, kind of yelling. And he was dressed in a punk uniform, I noticed

Anyway, asked what that was about and the bartender was like, "you didn't see his vest but it was all nazi shit. Iron crosses and stuff. You get to recognize them."

And i was like, ohok and he continues.

"you have to nip it in the bud immediately. These guys come in and it's always a nice, polite one. And you serve them because you don't want to cause a scene. And then they become a regular and after awhile they bring a friend. And that dude is cool too.

And then THEY bring friends and the friends bring friends and they stop being cool and then you realize, oh shit, this is a Nazi bar now. And it's too late because they're entrenched and if you try to kick them out, they cause a PROBLEM. So you have to shut them down.

And i was like, 'oh damn.' and he said "yeah, you have to ignore their reasonable arguments because their end goal is to be terrible, awful people."

And then he went back to ignoring me. But I haven't forgotten that at all.

[–] Sharkwellington@lemmy.one 54 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Wiktionary has a fairly relevant definition for "Nazi Bar":

(Internet slang) A space in which bigots or extremists have come to dominate due to a lack of moderation or by moderators wishing to remain neutral or avoid conflict.

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[–] ultranaut@lemmy.world 145 points 1 year ago (14 children)

I think this is for the best, there are some seriously disturbed people posting on Lemmygrad. I saw comments cheering on and celebrating the Hamas attack and talking about how they hoped the people who were kidnapped get tortured. Whatever your politics, that is super fucked up and not "legitimate discourse".

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[–] MoistWanted@lemmy.world 124 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)
[–] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@lemmy.ml 140 points 1 year ago (2 children)

"Cowards" lol

They literally just ban you if you start to pick apart their bullshit opinions.

Proudly banned from !GenZedong@lemmygrad.ml

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[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"You chose to not have to listen to our bullshit? Cowards!"

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[–] Grayox@lemmy.ml 123 points 1 year ago (29 children)

Lost all respect for lemmygrad when they deleted a comment i made about voting for the lesser of 2 evils being the correct course of action to advance the interests of the Prolitariat in the United States. They care more about larping as revolutionaries than enacting change that actually helps the Working Class.

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[–] Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 113 points 1 year ago (28 children)

Good Job! You make my experience of Lemmy continuously better! You cleaned that CSAM up with the speed of light (I've never even noticed it), you managed the Piracy Community Troubles very well and now you made an well thought through decision about Lemmygrad. Well done Mods! And thank you all very much!

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[–] gcheliotis@lemmy.world 109 points 1 year ago (44 children)

I understand that they are staunchly pro-communist and also take a pro-Palestine, including some of them (many of them?) a more clearly pro-Hamas stance. And that all of this could annoy many of the centrist liberals that seem to dominate here. But from perusing the lemmygrad link I do not see clear signs of hate speech, certainly not a clear hate speech agenda as you would see with some hate groups. And judging by the comments on here many seem to be happy to be “rid of them” because they are “annoying”, or “immature”, or “tankies”, or whatever. It really reads largely like “their opinions annoy me” so I’m glad they’re gone.

There may be more to it, I don’t know, but personally I wouldn’t like lemmy.world, an otherwise fine instance by all means, to become a centrist liberal silo where no other opinion outside (mostly US-centric) liberal orthodoxy is heard. So yeah, not convinced that this was the right decision, basically because of a lack of evidence.

[–] TheBlue22@lemmy.blahaj.zone 53 points 1 year ago (22 children)

Hexbear and Grad users defend genocidal regimes like Ruzzia and China. They excuse their crimes and argue in bad faith. I had so many insane discussions before I decided to block both of these instances entirely.

They are, by every single sense of the word, tankies.

Tankie is not just an oblivious term that has no meaning. It signifies a red fascist. It's like arguing that it's bad that we don't let neonazis in discussions. They do not care about discussing. All they want is to spread their disgusting ideas while hiding them behind leftism.

By defederating from these instances, we don't become less leftists. These people are not leftist.

This is not a slippery slope. It is a necessary step to ensure the growth of this website and actually worthwhile discussions.

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[–] canis_majoris@lemmy.ca 101 points 1 year ago (27 children)

You guys were still federated with Lemmygrad this long?

[–] lwadmin@lemmy.world 92 points 1 year ago (15 children)

Most of their communities were blocked since months, that's why you didn't see much of them.

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[–] TheLurker@lemmy.world 77 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Lemmygrad is a cesspool of pseudo intellectual unemployed neckbeards complaining about how oppressed they are under the yoke of capitalism, from their mother's basement in Wisconsin.

Good riddance to it.

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[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 72 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This will be a much better experience for new Lemmy users browsing /All.

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[–] talos_the_true_god@lemmy.world 69 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Free speech is important. Every opinion should be heard and considered. However, your freedom ends when it crosses over someone else’s. Good riddance, i had blocked most of lemmygrad’s communities anyways, since all they did was spread propaganda and hate.

Love the mod team (being ex-reddit, never thought I’d say that), the transparency and clarity of their communication with the community is great!

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[–] axorld@lemmy.world 65 points 1 year ago

Before I saw lemmygrad: wtf are we doing?

After I saw lemmygrad: glad we defederate..

[–] TheBlue22@lemmy.blahaj.zone 64 points 1 year ago (4 children)

About time.

Tolerating intolerance will only lead to intolerance.

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[–] AlmightySnoo@lemmy.world 61 points 1 year ago

FINALLY, thanks a lot! 👏

[–] Wage_slave@lemmy.ml 58 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Pretty new to the lemmy thing. Learning the do not and safe zones of the federation.

Lemmygrad is a bit of a rabbit hole from the outside view. Like, holy shit. That place got wicked dark super fast.

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[–] foggy@lemmy.world 56 points 1 year ago (4 children)

There was a lot of it.

Like a lot.

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[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 50 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Good, are you defederated from hexbear as well? If not, please do.

[–] MichelleG@lemmy.world 56 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Actually, we’ve never been federated with Hexbear. It was blocked before they started federating with other instances.

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[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 47 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Oh, c'mon...

People have been celebrating when governments open their own Lemmy instance to put state services and support there and now we're defederating the very first of such Lemmy instances, that of the People's Republic Of China???!

/s

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[–] jacktherippah@lemmy.world 47 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thank fuck. I hate those jerks. Good riddance.

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