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No, the Gaza residents don't deserve collective punishment, and that is what Hamas wants. They want Israel to overreact and clamp down. They want videos of their dead children and women across all media. This is part of the tried and true strategy of big guy vs little guy conflicts, and guess what it NEVER WORKS... for the big guy.
How did 9/11 work out for Osama Bin Laden? Better then he could have ever even dreamed of.
You can't kill your way out of this kind of conflict. The only ways out are A) complete genocide or B) political resolutions and bringing them to the table.
Neither Bibi, nor Hamas, want option B, and they're both hoping that eventually option A will work out in their favor.
You just contradict yourself. You can't kill your way out of this kind of conflict. Then you say you can complete genocide. So you can kill your way out of this.
That is likely what they are going to do. Starve out and destroy Gaza so everyone leaves. Then enter it and take it over and build another wall woth even more guns and keep pushing new walls further back to make the balstics Hamas use less effective.
This conflict is Israel vs Hamas, at least on paper. So even if Israel ramps up strikes without care of civilian death, that is still different then an actual intentional and systemic genocide.
So no, Israel cannot kill it's way out of this current conflict.
Of course they can and they are doing it. They are going to destroy Gaza block by block until everyone has fled or is killed and there is nothing but rubble to go back too. Then Isreal will just take over the land and move in.
I understand that is ultimate dream of Bibi, Ben-Gvir, and a disturbingly large number of genocidal zealots that support them, but no, that is not going to be what happens with this specific conflict at this time.
Eventually, they will withdraw from Gaza and leave the millions of Palestinians left to starve and suffer in the rubble.
Let's say, hypothetically, that Hamas was actually somehow destroyed, every leader killed, and 200k fighters dead. What kind of organization do you think would rise up to replace it?
Looks like they are doing a pretty good job if leveling Gaza right now and don't appear to be stopping anytime soon
Option A won't work out for them if they and their buddies cease existing and the strip is radioactive glass. Same with their buddies Hezbollah. And Israel, regardless of strategic ambiguity, almost certainly has the capability to pull it off.
Lol. Pretending like nuking them is an option is the most sadistic and stupid thing I've seen. They'd be nuking themselves. Radiation doesn't stay in place, and also presumably they want to control that area too. These takes make everyone a little dumber.
Nah bro. I'm pretty sure radioactive fallout respects territorial integrity and has a strict lines on maps approach to how it gets distributed post detonation.
So as long as Israel gives its nukes clear orders not to float over and contaminate Israeli territory, they should be good.
Yep, just a stern talking to and those nukes will take care of the rest.
Oh, and he's not pretending to not understand, he really doesn't because he's really, really, and I mean seriously, stupid.
Setting aside your own genocidal fantasies, which are beyond fucked up, I think you should pick up a map of the region and look at it. Like really look at it.
And if, within 10 secs, you don't understand just how incredibly dumb your idea is, I think you should immediately get a vasectomy, because that would mean you're way way way too stupid to ever be allowed to reproduce.
Please, for the sake of the world, snip snip.
I am a member of the United States Navy SSBN force, trained to set condition 1SQ for Strategic Launch of thermonuclear warheads if and when called upon to do so without hesitation. Each missile is capable of carrying in excess of ten multiple independent reentry vehicles, and each warhead is capable of at least ten times the power of Hiroshima.
What do you do for a living?
Wow. You probably shouldn't hold that position if you actually do. Do you know what a nuke is? Do you know what happens to radioactive material after the explosion?
We have a few great heroes in our history who saved the world by hesitating when that call was made. If you think you shouldn't hesitate, you're bad for the position. You might be told that's what you're supposed to do, but it isn't. You need to ensure the call is legitimate for legitimate reasons before you doom humanity.
People like you worry me. You're so confident in some bullshit that you think it means anything at all. You clearly have no idea of the repercussions of a single nuclear attack is, let alone what happens if there's a response.
I know the yield of a Trident II D5 missile's REVs, yes. I know the entire sequence from receipt of an EAM to reentry and detonation. I've read the CJCS instructions and all other governing documentation.
It is not my job or that of any sailor or officer on an SSBN to determine the legitimacy of the reason, only that the EAM is in fact valid and authentic in accordance with procedure and governing documentation. To think otherwise is naive, and got at least one officer kicked off the ship.
My job is simple. When I'm told to man battle stations missile for Strategic Launch, I man battle stations missile for Strategic Launch. When I am ordered to set condition 1SQ by the CO and XO, I set condition 1SQ in accordance with procedure and governing documentation as quickly as possible while remaining within procedural guidance.
Then you're aware of what would happen upon detonation in Gaza. You shouldn't be dumb enough to wish to use it on them. You really shouldn't be dumb enough to wish to use it ever, but I know your type.
These are two of the world's greatest heroes. We're all here today likely because they disobeyed orders.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasily_Arkhipov
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanislav_Petrov
I know you're supposed to obey any lawful order, but a few have not and saved many for it. There will almost certainly be consequences for it, but any good person would still at least consider the risk to self to save many.
The end of this I agree with. You will be kicked off the ship. However, it is your duty to consider if an order is lawful. If you're asked to kill unarmed civilians, for example, then that's an unlawful order and can be disobeyed. However, it seems you aren't in a direct line for the call being made to the launch, so it doesn't really matter.
Yep, you definitely should snip snip. Please, for the sake of world's gene pool.
Nah, my shipmates already have dozens of children, all slated to enlist or commission in the most powerful nuclear navy in the world when they are eligible. You should've seen Family Day on the pier. Our next generation of recruits are already on their way and lining up, our next strategic weapons platforms are already being built and slated for DASO in the next few years. Just earlier this year, we surfaced SSBNs in both Faslane, Scotland and Busan, South Korea, and an SSGN in Perth, Australia. Our SSNs are everywhere lurking beneath the waves, and our Seawolves are listening and stalking wherever they're needed.
So stand down, civilian. There's no stopping this war machine.
Holy shit. You're easily one of the dumbest and most delusional people I've ever come across on Lemmy, or even Reddit.
Or, you're a very committed and very bored troll.
Either way, there's definitely something special about you. So... congrats?
Ooo, a civilian is calling me dumb and delusional, guess I better take off these crows and fish. Oh wait, your opinion doesn't matter. You keep on keepin' on, and I'll keep y'all safe and comfortable enough to speak your mind the way you do. You're welcome.
I come from a military family. You thinking serving makes you better than a civilian is the biggest issue with many who serve. However, most who serve don't believe this. I live in a very heavy USN area and most don't think serving makes them smarter or better. Most do it because they like the civilians, not because they hate them. Many also do it for the benefits. If you're serving to make up for your lack of manhood, you're doing it for the wrong reasons.
The military answers to the civilians, not the other way around.
Please don't feed his delusions. He just watches a lot of Sub Brief and plays World of Warships.
I like the civilians who support the troops and actually show gratitude for the shit we have to deal with on a daily basis to keep them safe. Civilians calling for us to sterilize ourselves or trying to fence-hop a nuclear installation get no sympathy from me.
Shut up boot, you are either new to the fleet or everyone else in your shop hates you. It's probably both.
Sorry, but your wrong. He's neither. He's just delusional, watches too many miltubers, and spends all his time and money playing all the freemium war sims.
ETV1 and my division shares my views, thank you very much. Come on down to King's Bay, Georgia, and have a chat with some MTs, ETVs and STSs. Before I made rank my first CO constantly reiterated that our motto was to "Kill the Bear" and do it in as timely a fashion as possible in accordance with SWS procedures and governing documentation.