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[–] emma@beehaw.org 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

This IS a proxy war from Iran.

Iran will give Hamas and other militant terrorist groups like Palestinian Islamic Jihad as many arms as they can get across the border.

That's a rather significant fact to be unaware of.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I'm not unaware of it, it's just not remotely a threat that means $3.8B a year isn't enough. Israel estimated 1,000 fighters were involved in the recent attacks. And that was considered a lot! Ukraine was invaded by 150,000 soldiers in a modern (ish) military with a full state actor behind it, not smuggled weaponry from a regional power which is still weaker than Israel itself.

[–] emma@beehaw.org 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I'm countering the way you downplayed Hamas' resources. You keep doing this which leads to sloppy opinions. Especially so if you truly are aware of the resources Iran puts into their proxy wars.

The PRESENCE (not necessarily use) of additional weapons NOW is geo-political message to Iran to de-escalate, that the US will respond in some way. Iran will hear it even if you can't, we'll see what they do.

[–] HiT3k@beehaw.org 4 points 11 months ago

Okay genius, so what's Iran's military budget, what is Israel's, and how much value in aid is Iran providing to Hamas annually? It's more than $3.8b?

[–] zerfuffle@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Recent reporting from AP indicates that the Israeli blockade has meant that the primary source of explosives used in Hamas missiles are those extracted from unexploded Israeli munitions fired on Gaza.

Iran is mostly only capable of supporting Hamas through intelligence and through designs/blueprints (things that don't really require transport).

[–] emma@beehaw.org 1 points 11 months ago

You mean the same report which also talks about arms coming into Gaza via Sudan? But yes, Gaza militants fire so many rockets and missiles at Israel they have to make their own in addition. This smuggling includes key components. And yes, Iran's contributions are far bigger than smuggling in arms. My bad for not including a full list 🙄

None of this changes the fact that it is a proxy war with Iran.