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Had a discussion about hydrogen cars on Lemmy the other day
The discussion involved:
The internet has emboldened people who barely passed school because on the internet, they're anonymous and nobody knows who they are. People who know them however in real life would likely ignore their comments.
I think the problem is, its less time consuming to make up nonsense and shout over people, than actually provide accurate, well-referenced information
In a debate, the idiot will try to pull you to their level so they can beat you with experience.
idiots cite cliches
now you respond touchΓ©
telling us how you argued with another idiot on the internet doesn't really tell us much about anti-intellectualism
it honestly just looks like you're one of the emboldened.
and now me too! maybe this framing isn't the most helpful.... not the "smartest" framing
If you can provide a way to approach that example differently, I'm open to suggestions. It's an example of my experience, where my comment includes many of the common techniques they employ
Your comment is
Why isn't my experience relevant, and why can't we post our experiences? Are we required to simply say "yes" or "no" and not why?
Wow so you actually think this is evidence, okay. I'm not even sure how to approach this. I was pretty gentle with you and your character too. I was a fucking asshole to a Hexbear user in another thread.
It does come down to character though. By putting one person as "intellectual" and the other "anti" it's creating a hierarchy between perspectives. So then the question is an ethical one, is it justified to dismiss another perspective based on XYZ. I'm guessing in this case, dismissing you is the "anti", right? Based on whatever criteria you've chosen. But what happens if we select different criteria?
Congratulations on being an asshole. But being subtle doesn't change anything (even Trump tried, and got a gag order).
What criteria would you pick to change character attacks, blatant assumption, dismissal of evidence (without counter evidence), incorrect comments, or marketing nonsense (like "water battery" or "greenwashing") into intellectual arguments?
Your points dispproving hydrogen as a viable energy solution for the future are a bit silly. It's like saying the future isn't possible because what is available now. I would actually say you're being anti-intellectual because you're not being open minded and solution oriented, which are intellectual traits.
You might need to read the discussion, as I was being solution oriented (Hydrogen has many good uses, and I agreed with that based on evidence).
But, the original poster started using buzzwords (I blocked the guy, so don't remember them fully, but there was a lot), character attacks, and dismissing major evidence. Character attacks aren't a valid debating technique...
Fair I don't have enough context.