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[–] echo64@lemmy.world -2 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Starlink isn't meant for the edge cases, the edge cases can not make it profitable. The edge cases are edge cases.

Also blotting out the sky with wasteful satalites isn't a good solution to "the free market wont build infrastructure because its broken." Its just another aspect of it being broken and the entire planet has to suffer from it.

[–] Cosmos7349@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I am not super well-researched on this, so I might be mistaken, but their market is people who don't have access to telecom infrastructure, no? I guess it's not an edge-case just because there are that many people without access? Because I don't see how they'd be able to compete on price/value with traditional internet providers.

[–] echo64@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

That is not a viable market. It's far too small for the cost.

And they can't compete. It's all backed by investor money. It's the same disruption business that big tech has been doing for decades. Enter market, subsidize costs with investor money, become incumbent as everyone thinks it's such a good deal. Raise prices when there's no other option.

Uber, netflix, Spotify, same plan again. Never better, never competitive, just disruptive.

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 months ago

The government is also broken, the US invested billions of dollars for nation wide fiber, and it still didn't get built.

[–] ghterve@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

"blotting out the sky" is hyperbole and not reality. Those pics of the trains of dots in the sky are temporary and only present in the handful of days after a launch.

[–] echo64@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

ah yes, the "you used flowery language to make a point and thus I'll decide that everything you said is wrong!" technique

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-023-06672-7.epdf?sharing_token=N9yAfmt2e_GVtwPy77HJetRgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0PFsLwdWnqlxtsKwpSN7Boq0-VZBfGQbMetAbo437Wt1qJnPYFLp9WgedI-jqcxrYcV5ukwWY9p_dhA4S6iwLOz0StMV6Cb8k8hS32gEexB7vqsPRwL1C98AnGCP-Fzu88UWpDICmoYy6v0UHlQfJmtQ7r3Hn2SM32YSSCOdCXESf8d6iCXB5WfW1SWH4zKLC0%3D

https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1538-3873/acf40c

unfortunately Scientists have no power, so they are basically begging these companies to work with them to find solutions and the companies just aren't doing that. The best they can do is twice the maximum brightness scientists have called for, https://www.nature.com/articles/s41550-020-01238-3 estimates there could be 100,000 of these objects in the sky in the 2030s, 30x the amount we have currently.

astronomy is massively impacted by all of this, just because America refuses to build infrastructure like everyone else does, thanks America. Thanks Musk.