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One guy banned me from 18 magazines for downvoting him. (Side note: this is why being able to see downvotes is bad. Even if anyone could see them by spinning up their own instance, that's a lot of work compared to pressing 2 buttons.)

I was only subscribed to 1 of those magazines, but it's still annoying to wake up to 18 ban messages from someone who got easily angered from a downvote.

I've blocked the guy, but is there anything that can be done to stop this from proliferating across the site?

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[–] euphoria@kbin.social 57 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

this is certainly very very worrying. this sort of behavior has to be handled some way or another. @ernest.

honestly, someone like that has already shown they would not make a good moderator, they mass banned over something so petty and small, i don't think it would be unreasonable to revoke their ability to make mags for some time (or indefinitely) and give his mags to someone else who is more mature. he already swiped up some big name mags, do we really want someone like that running popular magazines? no.

edit. honestly fuck it, this deserves to be called out. @Deliverator, this is unacceptable and very childish behavior. you should not be running magazines. reconsider your behavior and grow up, please.

edit. looks like we may not have the full story here. @Deliverator, we would very much like to hear your side and your reasoning for this.

edit. i noticed some people have gone and mass-downvoted Deliverators posts, PLEASE DO NOT DO THIS. do NOT stoop to that level, do NOT contribute to the problem of mass-downvoting, even if the other person has done it, or you are no better and have no right to criticize it.

[–] Chozo@kbin.social 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Looks like he may have just been removed from his mod position on a few magazines, as his profile only shows him modding 14 now. Hopefully the other magazines he's on realize what he's doing and do something about him.

EDIT: Maybe not, I just checked the modlog, and OP was only banned 13 times, not 18. Unless 5 of those were removed and no longer show up in the log for some reason? I feel like there might be more to this story than what we're seeing.

Other people have also been downvoting the mod in question, but OP is the only one who seems to have been mass-banned like this, as far as I can see in the modlog. I don't even see any threads where OP or the mod have interacted before, so I'm doubting that this was caused by just downvoting somebody's comment.

Maybe everyone should pump the brakes on this witch hunt for a sec.

[–] euphoria@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

we definitely need his side of the story now, hope he comes out with it soon

[–] McBinary@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I don't think there can possibly be a justifiable reason he was banned from every one of that mod's magazines, and then for the mod to systematically put a downvote on every single one of the user's posts. Clearly they both did it, but still, not moderator worthy behavior.

[–] euphoria@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

at this point, i have no idea what happened, but am open to hearing the full story. i'd like to assume there isn't a justifiable reason for it, but we honestly shouldn't assume anything till we see both sides. like someone else said, OP has also downvoted all their comments/posts, it could have been in response to it, or maybe not. we need the full story here

[–] NightAuthor@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago

Nah fam, it’s the inter webs, we hunt witches and burn them. And this guy definitely floats in water.

[–] EnglishMobster@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The 18 number is the number of unread messages I had at the time. They were all "you have been banned." I just went back and counted; I have 18 messages (across 2 pages of notifications now).

It's possible that they extended the length of the ban and doing so gave me another message; the bans were all different lengths. Or it could be some duplication happening server-side.

[–] Gork@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If it's any consolation, you'll be unbanned from one of them in 2095, and should be unbanned from the rest by 2105.

[–] McBinary@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

There definitely needs to be a set protocol to remove mods like this. If the user did something to be removed from a specific mag, that's one thing, but removing them from every mag you're a mod for is an overreach.

[–] TheEntity@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago

In theory the protocol is to first report it to the instance admin and otherwise avoid instances that allow such behavior. I'm aware it's easier said than done.

[–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

The only "set protocol" is that the protocol is up to the instance admin to set.

That said, it would be nice to have a standard place for instance admins to post that protocol so that everyone can see it and decide if the instance meets their standards.

[–] lukini@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Obviously I come from a different instance, but I feel there are things that should result in mass bans and even account deletion, such as the use of racial slurs. Contact the admins and make it happen in those cases.

[–] RossoErcole@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't agree, people can make mistakes, they are punished according to that mistake, and should be given the chance to be better. If someone is banned all across the platform there is no redeeming opportunity.

[–] lukini@beehaw.org 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not sure how you would say the n word by mistake. Sounds similar to Roseanne blaming her racism on Ambien. They can make another account if they want another chance.

[–] Peruvian_Skies@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why do you think it's okay to ban someone from communities where they did nothing wrong because of what they did elsewhere? Unless it's criminal behavior that can endanger the site itself, like posting child porn, I feel like that's a huge overreach.

[–] lukini@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because open racists should have no place on the entire site.

[–] Peruvian_Skies@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I asked a general question about why you think punishments should bleed out into ither communities and you just gave me an example of a conduct to which you think this super-punishment should apply. You didn't say why. Do you also think that every country should jail people for doing things that are crimes in other countries?

I'm 100% against racism, I just want to understand why you believe that someone being inappropriate in a forum about cars means that they shouldn't be allowed to discuss baking in a separate community with different people where they didn't say anything wrong.

[–] AnonymousLlama@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

These people are only interested in extreme solutions. 1 slur = banned from everywhere + get the guillotine ready. No nuance or in-betweens apparently

[–] lukini@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

Ok, go around saying the n word to people and see how that works out.

[–] Peruvian_Skies@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, it's so pathetic that I'm not even angry.

[–] lukini@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

My entire comment was the explanation why. Zero tolerance. No racists. Full site ban. No questions.

And since you want to discuss countries even though it's a totally different league, yes, I don't think a drunk driver should be able to get to drive in another country for a period of time. Yes, ban entry from murderers. Yes, a terrorism charge should prevent entering an airplane in any airport.

[–] Peruvian_Skies@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Being gay is a crime in Uganda so you just supported jailing all the gays the entire world over. Really nice.

[–] lukini@beehaw.org 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Who said all crimes should be punished everywhere? I'm saying punish racism. WTF is wrong with you lmao

[–] Peruvian_Skies@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Did you read my question before answering?

[–] omnislayer88@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

you just replied to your self, god damn

[–] GunnarRunnar@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

i noticed some people have gone and mass-downvoted Deliverators posts, PLEASE DO NOT DO THIS

Not to be a i-told-you-so but this is why you don't name and shame on the internet. You can influence a person but masses become this uncontrollable horde that does stuff like this.