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You voted though, right? For Harris? That’s the only correct answer.
Non voters + Trump voters + Jill Stein voters brought us into this mess. I haven’t heard anything from Jill Stein, as a leader I hope she’s speaking out too to her base. ~~
I used the ballot box and voted straight blue, yes.
Really looking like it’s time for the next box and I hate that but no nazi deserves to breathe
No it was the democrats who put a candidate forward so uninspiring and indifferent on many different issues that people didn't vote for her.
People didn't want come that had no stance against the genocide and was different from biden.
No it was people who didn't want to vote for Kamala Harris. Everyone who doesn't work at the DNC needs to learn that lesson. Everyone who works at the DNC has a different set of lessons to learn. Like be a socialist and abandon neoliberalism.
The fact that we had a choice of someone other than Biden was incredible from a political standpoint. It's laughable more people weren't jumping at the chance to elect the candidate who wasn't a lifelong, diehard Zionist.
My personal favorite was when a poster on here, hardly unique but emblematic of the whole fucking rot, swearing up and down that the reason they were so hard on Biden and refusing, under any circumstances, to vote for him, was because they REALLY wanted the Dems to WIN, and that the Dems wouldn't win if Biden was in the seat (probably true). They said that they wanted to pressure the Dems into dropping Biden for someone - ANYONE else - and that they'd gladly vote for a replacement candidate against Trump - even if it was Kamala Harris!
No points for correctly guessing what happened when Harris got the nomination.
Multiple people can be at fault. The Democratic party definitely fucked up by not holding a primary, but every single person who had a ballot in front of them and decided that letting Trump win was acceptable fucked up even worse
I do find Harris and the party worse. They held all the cards and stupidly decided not no give an inch. Madness.
The Democratic party could and should have done better, but that does not excuse the millions of nonvoters who saw a choice between "some people die" and "exponentially more people die" and decided to effectively flip a coin on it. You are a worse person if you flipped that coin than if you'd just decided to vote for the lower death count.
Not worse than the people perpetrating that genocide, of course. Politicians need to be honest about the Israel Palestine conflict, and influence public opinion away from supporting the genocide. All I'm saying is that that is not an excuse for allowing another genocide against the Latino population in America to happen. Not to mention whoever they'll go after when they're done with that.
Just give it up, theyre the same as Republicans who can't admit they were wrong.
They'll act like theyre morally superior while millions more die because of their vastly misplaced arrogance. More Palestians died and will die. More vulnerable people reliant on USAID will die, and rather than admitting you should try to shift left (And I agree the democratic party is center right at best) they just let the worst possible outcome happen.
Theyre not morally superior, theyre morally bankrupt and mentally deficient.
As a proud supporter of Claudia de la Cruz, I'm sure you'll be pleased to know she hasn't given up her flight: https://www.instagram.com/1claud9/, https://pslweb.org/
I am seriously tired of hearing this shit, what point does that matter now? Are you going to change the election? Move forward, we can't do anything about how people voted now and it's just alienating and irritating people.
To remind people that their actions have consequences and that they need to take an active role in the democratic process if they want to preserve it.
Yup, and the whole “she wasn’t a squeaky clean and perfect candidate for me so I couldn’t vote for her in good conscience” sounds like such a fucking dumb argument in the face of what we’ve seen the other guy has done/will do.
And to the user you replied to: yes, it doesn’t do anything to change reality, but points like this should be noted so hopefully people learn. You vote so a piece of shit like Mango Mussolini doesn’t get to power and dismantle the U.S. government.
P.S. I proudly voted for Kamala Harris
The "both sides" argument is one of the fascists' favorite ways to inspire voter apathy, maybe take a second to think about harm reduction instead of focusing only on your own moral superiority.
Also, I'm not American, I have never voted in a US election.
People needed to vote for the not fascist candidate in a choice between a not fascist candidate and a fascist candidate.
It's not hard. Learn the lesson or die to fascists. People will be too dead to be alienated.
Okay. Got anything other than time travel as a solution? If not, I need you to get the fuck off the internet, go talk to some neighbors, and do a moral-action to save some neighbors lives.
Is that moral action a crime? Depends on who you ask, which state you're in, and how you choose to do it.
I recommend dragging a full-sized cross in front of an immigrant's door as ICE tries to raid. On camera. In Los Angeles. With bible verses burned into the wood about "love your neighbor" from KJV. Even if you have to make the cross yourself.
Maybe you'll get a good photo op for the movement, maybe you'll psychologically break a gestapo or four.
I'm sure you have other ideas.
If we have another election vote in it. Vote for the Democrat candidates. Fill out the ballot with a pen. No larping fan fiction necessary.
https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/speed-over-fairness-deportation-under-obama
I'd rather larp on the internet than enable fash to larp at court until they can drop the facade.
This blood is on Democrats' hands too, and I'm tired of your Team Sports mentality pretending otherwise.
And if we don't? Or if its such a farce that its Russian-style ballot-stuffing?
Tell me the plan. Lemme guess... Brunch?
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/48128843
And when these are the people your party will FIGHT to put on the ballot? I'm sorry, even when I do vote, I vote alone. I dont get to bring a group of almost non-voters into the line with me.
Or your party could try to... Vote Blue No Matter Who in NYC. Back the party candidate. Offer support. Embrace a platform that starts to work.
No? No real Democratic presidential primary since 2008, and we're supposed to trust that name? Thanks Kim Jong Un.
Then again, we wouldn't be in this mess if Trump's 6th Amendment Right to a swift trial were respected, so his name could have been taken off the ballots in time for a real election. Thanks Obama appointed judges!
What does any of this have to do with the Democrats being the correct choice in 2024 and being the correct choice in the next two elections if we have them?
There are still people advocating for not voting after it is now clear that was the wrong choice.
If that's not you then you shouldn't have a problem with this.
Then voting wont be an option.
We've had real primaries since 2008.
The fact is, Democrats refuse to learn from their mistakes. Y'all Liberals refuse to learn anything from your own voters. Ever.
The fact is, your party is responsible for making Austerity politics (and mislabeling it as "abundance" with Ezra Klein) bipartisan for more than 30 years.
This strategy is how we got Trump. I don't blame Romney for Trump - I blame Clinton ratcheting to the Right.
When Bernie can win States' popular vote and lose it because of Party-appointed "super delegates" in 2016? That's not fucking Democracy.
When the entire party rallied behind Biden so thoroughly that half the country didn't even get to vote in the Primary before Biden was the presumptive Nominee in 2020? That's not Democracy, and Bernie was arguably a Coward for not calling you on it. But... Voting out the fascist was priority. And Biden promised to be a 1-term president.
2024 - that 1-term promise? SIKE!!! Until his failing mental condition lagged out so hard that his VP took over, no voting allowed.
Fuck you. Sincerely, and deeply. You deserve Trump as much as anyone in his Simp cult. Blue Maga gave us Red Maga.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries
Bernie lost the popular vote.
A promise he should have followed through on every step of the way.
The neoliberal you're shadow boxing lives in your head. edit: typo
And yet he was the most popular politician in the country at the time. Fascinating how we can ignore the political machine of Billionaire-owned Media Empires and their pocket-politicians.
If the Democrats want my vote from here on out? They have to EARN it. You've convinced me. This sense of entitlement to MY vote is entirely uncalled for, especially as their strategy includes funding the worst Republicans possible in the Primaries:
https://www.npr.org/2022/06/20/1106256047/why-democrats-are-paying-for-ads-supporting-republican-primary-candidates
...and then crying when it backfires.
I shall now default to non-voting. I will only vote for people who offer actual material policy gains like Zohran Mamdani does, Democrat or otherwise.
Any Democrat who fails to do this? Will either win without me or fail without me. Either way, I lose nothing. You have convinced me.
Stop pretending you care about the Palestinians and working class people then.
You don't. You care about you. The least you can do is own it so people who do know not to imitate you.
Real change for Palestinians and the working class? Is that material gain worth voting for.
I bring up Zohran Mamdani as an example of exactly that, and you decide that I'm only in it for me? Lovely.
Maybe we're not using that word "material" the same way. You seem to think that means I only care about "my money." I'm talking about actual, real world change instead of some Liberal Gesture that changes nothing.
Democrats whose strategy includes moving Republicans to the Right to appear more "reasonable" and "in the center" are not real change for anyone. It is their strategy, demonstrably. Repeatedly. As cited above.
Biden's closest thing to a campaign slogan was "nothing will fundamentally change." - and he delivered on that. My friends, neighbors, community were all still hurting from Trump the entire way through his term. And the more I looked, the more it was the same everywhere.
Harris refusing to rebuke Biden? Was a critical misstep. As was allowing the party to carry on influencing Republican primaries for the same "centrist" appeal. Picking up Megan McCain and Dick fucking war criminal Cheney endorsements and refusing to alienate them was not the way to retain the Left or Youth.
And denying it or ignoring it? Is demanding that I serve you the same hugbox echo chamber as a facebook feed.
So... Are you "Blue no Matter Who" for Mamdani now that he has the Nomination? Or nah.
Mamdani or no, Liberal. Put up or shut up - is that party a "big tent" that wants to include actual Leftists open to voting, or are we not allowed to actually participate in your Helldiver "Democracy"-that's-just-branding?
I don't care about a single other word you say until I get an answer - is Mamdani a Democrat to you after winning the nomination on a platform of affordable living for all of NYC?
The platform and organizing strategy that won him an unprecedented primary victory is a model for the party that needs to be emulated, repeated. Are you open to that? Because I can vote for that. I can bring others to vote for That who wouldn't vote otherwise.
Which is it? Mamdani or no? Can your party compromise to the Left for a change now? Or is that privilege only reserved for Fascists in even a minority party, such as under Obama's first 2 years?
You're fight, people don't like hearing about the consequences of their own actions. They like sitting comfortably, pretending they did what they could to stop it
"Look, I know that these people voted for you and yours to suffer, but you just need to get over that so that we can come together and be a happy family again. You not getting over that one little tiny bump in our past just alienates everyone that wanted to see your life destroyed. It was a tiny blip from our past. Just get over it already." ~You....for the most part.