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[–] radiofreebc@lemmy.world 9 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

America is NOT a progressive country.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (2 children)

In general, the people ARE actually pretty progressive (as evidenced byprogressive policies tending to be favored by overwhelming majorities when not attached to the name of someone the establishment has spent millions if not billions vilifying).

The main problem is that the political system has fallen so deep into corruption that it's a representative democracy in name only.

It's way past time for rebellion against not just the fascists, but also the system itself and the Democrats who consider it more important than the general welfare of the people.

[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Revolution sounds exhausting. Blaming voters means I can simply wait for other people to change by learning the right lessons even though they never seem to.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Revolution sounds exhausting

It is. But at some point, the tank fills and continuing to bend over backwards to survive the boring dystopia becomes even MORE exhausting.

Whether we're there yet is debatable, but more and more people seem to think so.

(I can tell from the rest of your comment that you were being facetious if not downright snarky, but figured I'd take the opportunity to share my musings anyway 😁)

[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 1 points 1 hour ago

That is a good point, and I think the difficult part is the initial change. Once you connect to a revolutionary/vanguard community with it's own cultural riches on the other end then it is as you say, the less exhausting option.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 3 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

"the people are progressive"

Said about a country that voted for trump, twice. And every corporate democrat in every primary.

[–] TuffNutzes@lemmy.world 5 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

National elections are won by the over representation of land versus people and the winner-take-all electoral college.

It's a very broken system but it's the one we have. So yes, the people are progressive but land and the electoral college wins elections.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 1 points 13 hours ago

Trump won the electoral college twice, but the second one also the popular vote.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Both of those times were through an antiquated and unrepresentative system and with less than 50% the vote with low voter participation.

Less than a third of the eligible to vote population ≠ the country.

Well-meaning people pretending/being fooled into honestly believing that the presidential elections accurately reflect the will of the people without any trickery and downright fraud is how the corrupt demagoguery is allowed to persist.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Even less wanted something different, so that won.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

No. Once again your blind trust in institutions leads you astray.

There are tens of millions of Americans for whom voting is made extremely difficult and time-consuming if not downright impossible to do by deliberate voter suppression tactics from (mostly but not exclusively) Republicans.

If there had been free, open, and fair elections, the GOP would never be able to win a nationwide election.

You don't fix the system by assuming that it works as officially intended and blaming the powerless for the outcomes created by the powerful and corrupt.

[–] Tja@programming.dev -1 points 11 hours ago

You don't need to walk uphill for 20 miles in the snow to vote. You need to check a website anytime in the months before the election and then stand in line for a while. As the worse case, because sometimes you can vote early or per Mail.