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Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month | Kagi Blog (blog.kagi.com)
submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by HKayn@dormi.zone to c/technology@beehaw.org
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Kagi is a paid alternative to ad-supported search engines like Google and DuckDuckGo. It has recently revised its pricing model, reducing the cost for a plan with unmetered searches from $25 per month to $10.

Kagi boasts the following (and more) features:

  • Blocking or boosting specific domains in your search results
  • "Lenses", which are individual setting profiles (e.g. region locks, domain whitelists) that can be applied to search queries
  • All of the Bangs that DuckDuckGo has (e.g. type "!yt" in front of your query to immediately search on youtube.com)
  • Universal Summarizer, which works with any website, PDF document, YouTube video and more

This blog post goes into full details about Kagi's capabilities.

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[–] mojo@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

My comment says search engines. I specifically said that because I was not including Google. I know you specifically mentioned Google because other privacy search engines prove what you say as false. By that logic literally everything with consumers is a product, that's such a vague statement.

[–] Atemu@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

You are also DuckDuckGo's, StartPage's and Qwant's products. They sell your space on screen for ads. Now, they haven't enshittificatied to nearly the same degree as Google and full enshittification happening is of course not a given but making the user a product is basically step #1 to enshittification.

With Kagi, the product is the search engine service. You pay money and in return you get search results, lenses, bangs and all those neat little features. You are not being sold to 3rd parties. (At least not right now but I honestly don't see that happening any time soon.)

[–] mojo@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I'll just use AdBlock and get best of both worlds. You also have no idea what kagi is doing with your data, it's inherently eventually unprivate since it relies on a login. There is nothing wrong with ads, and they keep the service free and able to use it anonymously. The search results on free search engines are also the product here, since they only get paid from using them for results. All products require a userbase so that doesn't even make sense.

[–] Atemu@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago

You also have no idea what kagi is doing with your data

We in fact do have an idea what they do and don't do:

  • Searches are anonymous and private to you. Kagi does not log and associate searches with an account.
  • We do not log or store your IP address. Your IP address is used only temporarily when enriching location/maps searches, and is not shared with any other party.
  • We only store cookies needed for site functionality.
  • We do not use any web browser analytics or other frontend telemetry.
  • We do not display any ads, or have any first-party or third-party tracking in service of ads.
  • We do not share customer data with third parties, except as needed to perform explicitly accessed services. In those cases, we will share the minimum amount of data needed to provide the service, and will do so in an anonymous way.
  • We collect only the data needed to provide and protect the service.
  • We proxy all images to prevent tracking from third parties.
  • We use HTTPS encryption everywhere. All passwords are hashed and salted.

https://kagi.com/privacy

These terms are legally binding. If they did log searches despite these terms, that could end their business.

it’s inherently eventually unprivate since it relies on a login.

Not anonymous != unprivate.

Even if it was, I don't think it's different for all of the other search engines. For example: I do not believe for one second that Google can't identify you without being logged into your account; even with all the blocklisting your typical ad-blocker does.
Go try and fool https://abrahamjuliot.github.io/creepjs/ if you want to go try how little even things like incognito mode help against identification on the web and this is all just relatively simple client-side analysis without behaviour tracking.

There is nothing wrong with ads

I disagree that there is nothing wrong with modern propaganda but that's a topic for another discussion.

The search results on free search engines are also the product here, since they only get paid from using them for results.

No. That's the thing, they're not. Search results only serve to attract users. They only need to be good enough to be acceptable to users; everything beyond that is a waste of time and money from a business perspective.
They receive exactly $0 from you as a user. There is no sale contract between you. Therefore, you are not their customer, you are the product they sell to their actual customers.