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People need to start dressing up like ICE thugs and abducting/robbing wealthy white conservatives. When they insist they're citizens, dismiss their documents as fake. That's the only way this will end. The powerful need to be just as terrorized as the rest of us.
Impersonating police or military is usually a very high risk thing to be doing.
Failure to act, not doing things while you still have time, also has a very high risk.
Its a very, very common mental miscalculation to only look at the risk on one side of the balance sheet.
When it becomes high risk to simply exist, that might finally be the tipping point.
Historical anecdote: Germany never had a tipping point. The people effectively folded.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/They_Thought_They_Were_Free
A bunch of ICE are neither, they are just bounty hunters
Your point?
The political climate in America is deeply imbalanced. Right-wing violence is so common because it is tacitly or openly sanctioned by the state—it aligns with existing power structures. This is why, historically, regular Germans didn’t rise up against the early Nazi movement: the violence was coming from those the state favored. When left-wing groups try to mimic these tactics—like impersonating secret police or kidnapping elites—they invite swift and deadly repression. The government does not treat both sides equally. One is shielded; the other is crushed.
Also to do basically every single thing ICE is doing that your pizza delivery guy isn't.
And if you have a really good pizza delivery guy, some of the stuff they both do.
Honest question, what's a solution that doesn't carry risk?
Internet comments. Albeit it's no risk no reward.
What's the difference though?
Is there some essential "policeness" that "real" police have?
Are they announced with oils? Blessed by the divine?
They're not enforcing laws, they're not working for a collective good, they're not maintaining 'order', so genuinely what would the difference be?
I'm not necessarily endorsing. I think this goes some ugly places, but it's illegal when they do it too.
People also need to carry pepper spray.
Just pepper spray?
They will simply escalate violence with more violence. Our security apparatus has two decades of experience with counterinsurgency to snuff out people who choose this.
This is not a "violence isn't the answer" post, more of a clarification. Expecting to break the enemy's will through terror is always a fool's errand when doubling down/locking in is an option. This will end when one side has killed a sufficient amount of the other side to where they can no longer complete their objectives.
We tried to control Afghanistan and Iraq for like 2 decades and look how that turned out...do we really have that much experience? If so, we didnt learn a whole lot.
Unfortunately suppressing the domestic population is easier than trying to nation build halfway across the world. We can be pretty damn effective at oppressing our own population.
But one thing you seem to be overlooking is that there are more of us than them. The population of a city, even just part of the population who do not support this, is more than almost every police station across the nation. You can't suppress 100k+ people with a 10k-20k police force. The more you do, the more people who are going to resist. Add the military if you want, we still outnumber them.
You can point at the protests but those are peaceful. That's not suppression, that's keeping shit civil. Once bullets fly it's gonna be harder to keep people in one self contained area, especially if you have people shooting from their windows.
I agree with the sentiment, I just don't think Americans are going to actually go to that length. At least what I've learned from my 28 years in this country. I feel like the chilling effect is going to be stronger than most might hope for. But I hope you're more accurate than I am in this regard.
Yea but they are going to escalate anyways.
There is some cost that will be too great for your enemy, and it need not be attrition.
The wealthy are few, and they have nice lives of safety and comfort because they can pay a subset of the workers to protect and serve them. Be that police, politicians, private security, etc.
There are 3 cost / benefit calculations in play in this scenario.
Terror really isnt the thing group 3 should be focusing on. Cost is.
It should be expensive to be in group 1 or 2, so expensive that people don’t want to be a part of it anymore. That’s how you win this group fight. You can see that groups 1 and 2 realize this and so they want to make the cost of doing anything to jeopardize their groups as high as possible.
It remains to be seen if anything will come of it. Americans have proven to be incredibly willing to accept insanely high costs that only benefit the few wealthy. They will go into bankruptcy to pay for egregious healthcare. They will fund the police 100x over the social systems that would prevent crime in the first place.
We are at the end of a nearly century long project of the wealthy propagandizing the populace. So much that “pull yourself up by your bootstraps” a phrase intended to mock the idea by being plainly impossible is just a thing people unironically say.
You do realize we are at war, right? The conservative Christian portion of the population has declared open armed warfare upon the rest of us. That needs to be how you center you're thinking. We are at war. Start acting like it.
...yeah, I think the part where I said "we will need to kill enough Nazis until they are physically unable to carry out Nazi shit" painted that picture.