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Google fucked a whole generation with Chromebooks, and now they're fucking the next generation with AI
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Enshittification
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What is enshittification?
The phenomenon of online platforms gradually degrading the quality of their services, often by promoting advertisements and sponsored content, in order to increase profits. (Cory Doctorow, 2022, extracted from Wikitionary) source
The lifecycle of Big Internet
We discuss how predatory big tech platforms live and die by luring people in and then decaying for profit.
Embrace, extend and extinguish
We also discuss how naturally open technologies like the Fediverse can be susceptible to corporate takeovers, rugpulls and subsequent enshittification.
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I don't know where people get this idea from. Kids are still hacking their school computers, just as much as we were back in the 90s. If anything, kids are more knowledgeable on bypassing these systems now than we were then; ask any school's IT admin, kids are doing wild shit with their computers and tablets.
Don't forget, people like you and I weren't "normal kids". We were a very stark minority. That's still the case with today's kids. I think you're just not seeing it because you either don't have children in your life that you are in regular communication with, or aren't present on the social platforms today's kids are on.
And at the same time large sections of them are as tech illiterate as the boomers. There is a huge divide between the ones hacking everything and those that have only ever used an iPad or similar cloud-based devices and don't understand how even basics like folder structures works. And they sit right next to each other at school day after day in the same general classes.
That was the case when I was a teen, too
Why would they, though? The average user in today's world doesn't need that knowledge, just as we didn't need the knowledge of how punchcards worked (although I think there are a few Lemmings around here who may actually be old enough to qualify). We needed to know how folders work, because that was the norm during our upbringing, but that's no longer the case.
We didn't stick to our predecessors' methodologies. Neither will our successors. They'll evolve and grow beyond the technology and the norms that we're familiar with, just as we did with the generation before us.
That's just factually not true for anyone that works in a medium to large company. Folder structures and network drives are how all company data is handled. The only people at any of our business locations that don't need to know how that works are the environmental services and food and beverage employees. The rest of the employees absolutely use basic knowledge like that every single day. And not needing that definitely doesn't apply to any IT adjacent profession, which have expanded dramatically since I was in school.
Eh, kinda of, but modern enterprise document storage is largely evolving away from it for general business users. I say this as an IT professional that has been an active consumer of the evolution over the last 25 years. Yes, SMB/CIFs/NFS shares still exist in the corporate enterprise, but modern enterprise systems are doing document storage more in Sharepoint, Google Drive, or even object form (storage buckets). All of these last three don't use a traditional file system where folder (directory really) navigation is a required skill.
This is especially true with Google drive. Yes, there are folders, but its equally likely that the file you need isn't even in your folders because its been shared to you by another user from one of their folders. Links, bookmarks, and free text file searches are often more useful for locating document that navigating a traditional directory tree. This is somewhat true in Sharepoint too.
Corporate employee here, can confirm. Now you just turn on auto save and forget about it.
Edit: This came off intensely aggressive. Sorry.
I'm looking down the barrel of a massive project to shift all of our departments away from network shares to SharePoint. Simultaneously, my team is going to stop supporting "special" permissioned sub-folders, like share/Facilities/Managers/ so people can't see their co-worker's yearly review. Each Sharepoint site's "owner" (read, department manager) will be responsible for access management in their own site.
Also, knowing some of these departments, they will absolutely run up against the limit on amount of files in a single Sharepoint site. My boss seems to refuse to believe that's possible.
This is going to be such a clusterfuck. I am afraid.
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Sincerely: How the fuck are your users utilizing Sharepoint that they don't need to navigate the file/folder structure concept? Just using the search bar every time? Maintaining a list of shortcuts or browser favorites?
How does a file being shared from another user's storage invalidate the need to still know how to get to it?
I can't speak to Google Drive, as I've only used that minorly as an end user. Object based storage is an entirely different use case than document/data organization.
File names and tags with shit chucked in what is effectively a root folder are not adequate for most companies' data organization and "securing so only the right people have access" needs.
Users are horrible at file management, but you know this part already. When your users have fully evolved away from SMB/NFS shares to Google Drive or Sharepoint it works like this:
User1: "Can you update the financials for your project for this quarter in the file QuarterReporter?"
User2: "Yeah absolutely, where is QuaterReporter?"
User1: "Its in the Reports folder, but theres a few version of it. Don't use QuaterReporterV1. Use QuaterReporterV1-restored_02-02-23". Thats one we maintain with current data in it. Here's the link to the file."
User2: "Uhh, I clicked on that link but don't have access to it. Can you grant it?"
User1: "Oh sure, let me add you to the doc. There, try it now"
User2: "Yep, that worked. Okay do you just need the financials update one time or would you like me to do that for each quarter ongoing?"
User1: "Ongoing please"
User2: "Okay, I'll bookmark this file then and use it again in 3 months. Hey, my financials only cover the top of the project, do you want the tactical detail too?"
User1: "I do actually, yes."
User2: "Okay add, Jim Smith to the doc, and I'll forward the link you gave of the file to him."
So yes, the file still lives in a folder somewhere, users often don't even have the right permissions to maintain the folder structure properly and they just route around that by ignoring it and using links, bookmarks, and email forwards of links.
So kids with iphones just download every photo, video, and song they have to one folder and have no way to sort it?
Basically, yeah. Chronological sorting is good enough for most people. As long as you remember when you took the photo, you can find it easily.
Jesus that sounds horrendous. I do the same thing with my phone camera out of laziness, and that's bad enough. I can't imagine every file I have being accessible based on my memory of timeline.
How many kids are you exposed to? I think you've made up quite a story with a giant brush here.
I don't work with kids children, but that's not what I claimed either, I was talking about Zoomers being as tech illiterate as the Boomers. I work frontline IT support, so everyone down to those right out of high school and entering the workforce at a business with locations statewide. So firmly working with Gen Z entering the workforce now and through the last decade. Current Zoomer ages range from about 13-28, I'd say that's enough time and breadth to have a relatively decent sample size for an unscientific comparison like this.
I've managed MSP teams supporting 1000 ish users.
You're just letting biases affect your perception. The vast majority of adults use osx and Windows just fine.
Basically this. None of our parents knew we were dumpster diving telephone exchanges or trying to figure out gaining root on server systems. Today's underground is equally obfuscated by the "don't tell the grown ups" as we were.
My first computer was a DOS machine at the age of 5, and I grew up along side the PC, learning each iteration of operating system in real time as they were released. I have a hard time imagining anyone ever getting that good a window into how computers work, passively, just from using them normally. All the weird shit I did was entirely on top of what was already a rock solid foundation.
Just wish a social life hadn't been the sacrifice paid for that education.