Unpopular Opinion
Welcome to the Unpopular Opinion community!
How voting works:
Vote the opposite of the norm.
If you agree that the opinion is unpopular give it an arrow up. If it's something that's widely accepted, give it an arrow down.
Guidelines:
Tag your post, if possible (not required)
- If your post is a "General" unpopular opinion, start the subject with [GENERAL].
- If it is a Lemmy-specific unpopular opinion, start it with [LEMMY].
Rules:
1. NO POLITICS
Politics is everywhere. Let's make this about [general] and [lemmy] - specific topics, and keep politics out of it.
2. Be civil.
Disagreements happen, but that doesn’t provide the right to personally attack others. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Please also refrain from gatekeeping others' opinions.
3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.
Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.
4. Shitposts and memes are allowed but...
Only until they prove to be a problem. They can and will be removed at moderator discretion.
5. No trolling.
This shouldn't need an explanation. If your post or comment is made just to get a rise with no real value, it will be removed. You do this too often, you will get a vacation to touch grass, away from this community for 1 or more days. Repeat offenses will result in a perma-ban.
6. Defend your opinion
This is a bit of a mix of rules 4 and 5 to help foster higher quality posts. You are expected to defend your unpopular opinion in the post body. We don't expect a whole manifesto (please, no manifestos), but you should at least provide some details as to why you hold the position you do.
Instance-wide rules always apply. https://legal.lemmy.world/tos/
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Ok, let's assume you're right. Is there any way out of it, at least on a personal level?
What’s needed is a cultural shift, which obviously starts on an individual level - but it’s not going to be easy. First of all, someone has to want change - and a huge number of people simply don’t. But even if you do, you’re going to take a lot of hits for it, and it can get pretty exhausting when it feels like the entire platform is against you.
Personally, I think the karma system is one of the main problems. It’s a useful tool for sorting posts, but seeing the scores as users is intoxicating. Downvotes hurt, and upvotes encourage short-form, easily consumed, reactionary content. Why take the time to explain why you disagree when you can just call them stupid and feel like you’ve “won” the argument just because you’re being upvoted and they’re being downvoted - when in reality, no one’s views have shifted. Everyone’s just dug their heels in deeper.
That's a nice way of putting it. I agree with the karma system. It can work behind the scenes as a content sorting algorithm, but seeing upvotes and downvotes does more harm than good imo.
You see this a lot on Reddit: no serious answers but mostly one-liners, reactionary phrases and people making jokes because they know it's gonna be popular.
For that, karma be damned, I'm glad we're on Lemmy because this effect isn't that strong over here, at least for now.
I don’t feel like most people paid that much attention to total karma. The score of an individual post or comment is far more important - and that's just as much of an issue here as it was on Reddit.
I’m just not sure how to improve it. Hiding the score entirely might make it feel like nobody even read what you said. Maybe instead of simple “like/dislike” voting, there should be other ways to react to a post - like “Well said,” “I disagree but appreciate the input,” “I laughed,” "Offtopic," and so on.
With karma I was including vote and post scoring as well instead of just the net score on your profile, my bad.
This is why I’ve switched back to the old internet. Chat like irc/matrix for social interaction. RSS for information. And webrings for browsing the personal garden websites that used to constitute the internet before social media took over. It’s been great.
The good internet magazine has been writing about this and is my inspiration
As well as the internet history podcast.
I mean look at what social media took from us. Have fun exploring that webring and following link after link to new web rings and personal gardens. I love it. Reminds me of the early 00s