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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I'd be OK with attacking "nuclear, military sites", but from the videos it looks like a load of apartments buildings bombed.

[–] Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 days ago

Uh, apartments are small and house parents with their children... aka a nuclear family. So, checkmate, library.

/s (jesus christ it's depressing that's necessary)

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You're ok with wars of aggression?

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Well it's been going on for about 40 years so far... Military targets are valid targets (and certainly better than carpet bombing civilians, which Israel also do a lot of), and to be clear, Iran are not interested in nuclear for it's clean energy potential.

Nobody wants nuclear proliferation but a religious fundamentalist state (and the US and Pakistan and even North Korea, for all their insanity, at least stop short of that) having them would be Bad Times.

[–] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world -4 points 2 days ago

What next you are going to advocate to hit china military target and bring death and destruction to your own country?

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml -3 points 2 days ago (2 children)

God westerners are hypocrites. I'm guessing you still whine about Russia breaking international law even though you're just straight up admitting you don't care about international law at all.

[–] Ragnor@feddit.dk 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Please don't put that guys opinion on all westeners. Most Danes agree that Israel are way out of line for instance, and our prime minister has officially denounced their behavior in Gaza.

The world is nuanced, and generalizing about large populations of people is never right. When you do that you are putting blame on a lot of innocent people, and demonizing people only makes it harder to work towards a better world.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Ragnor@feddit.dk 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oh they "call for" do they? Are they going to send a strongly worded letter next?

Meanwhile they continue to materially support Israel, and even their token objection is just to ask Israel to let more aid into the blasted killing fields, not to actually stop the genocide.

[–] Ragnor@feddit.dk 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In the EU we work as a bloc, meaning that we have to agree with the other countries before the policies such as tariffs or similar are changed. Calling for it is how you get that train moving.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 day ago

Lol. "We were just following orders"

[–] DMCMNFIBFFF@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The sexist and homophobic ISLAMIC Republic of Iran sends arms to Russia to aid in their invasion and attempted conquest of Ukraine, and their continued occupation of parts of Ukraine.

I oppose the genocide of Gazans, but Iran's whining about Israel attacking their regime rings a bit hollow for me.

[–] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You imposed heavy sanctions on iran because they didn't want to be a western puppet then you wonder why they have to go support russia. What next you will ask to bomb china next and start a world war 3?

The genocidals imperial western power support a terrorist jewish state ruked by extremist occupting palestine for 57 years

[–] DMCMNFIBFFF@lemmy.world -2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Do you support what Russia is doing in Ukraine?

Do you support the ISLAMIC Republic of Iran's sexism and homophobia?

So why grieve when some mullarch or Reactionary Guard leader bites the dust?

Europe was for the most part an antisemitic genocidal shit-hole for Jews before they were arguably dumped in Palestine where they could at least be safe; and the USSR was the first country to recognize Israel.

[–] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Do you support what Russia is doing in Ukraine?

No I don't unlike you supporting the terrorist state occupation Palestinians for 57 years

Do you support the ISLAMIC Republic of Iran's sexism and homophobia?

No , i support Iranians themselves deal with the regime . I don't support killing Iranians under the pretext of helping democracy

So why grieve when some mullarch or Reactionary Guard leader bites the dust?

Because the terrorist state of Israel is a genocidal state currently committing a genocide and like to kill the most number of civilians

Europe was for the most part an antisemitic genocidal shit-hole for Jews before they were arguably dumped in Palestine where they could at least be safe; and the USSR was the first country to recognize Israel.

You are so stupid to think that enforcing a state on local people would make jew safe anywhere that have nothing to do with the holocaust . After Nazism was defeated jews was going to live safe where they was.

[–] DMCMNFIBFFF@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Do you support what Russia is doing in Ukraine?

No I don’t unlike you supporting the terrorist state occupation Palestinians for 57 years

I don't support that.

Do you support the ISLAMIC Republic of Iran’s sexism and homophobia?

No , i support Iranians themselves deal with the regime . I don’t support killing Iranians under the pretext of helping democracy

What if some of the dead Iranians actively supported the repression by the ISLAMIC Republic of Iran and/or the Reactionary Guards?

So why grieve when some mullarch or Reactionary Guard leader bites the dust?

Because the terrorist state of Israel is a genocidal state currently committing a genocide

agreed.

like to kill the most number of civilians

FWIW,

wp:June 2025 Israeli strikes on Iran

17:56, 13 June 2025

Per Iran:

78+ killed (unofficial numbers)[1][2]

329+ injured[3][4]

Europe was for the most part an antisemitic genocidal shit-hole for Jews before they were arguably dumped in Palestine where they could at least be safe; and the USSR was the first country to recognize Israel.

You are so stupid to think that enforcing a state on local people would make jew safe anywhere that have nothing to do with the holocaust .

IIUC, Jews in Palestine survived better between 1933 to 1945 than in Europe.

Besides, the British and Turks enforced a state on Palestine before there was a modern Israel.

After Nazism was defeated jews was going to live safe where they was.

IIUC, mostly in Communist countries or in Germany where Hitler killed himself only 3 years and a few weeks earlier—I wouldn't fault Jews for thinking that Germany was safe back then—would you?

[–] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world -2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I don't support that.

No you don't.

What if some of the dead Iranians actively supported the repression by the ISLAMIC Republic of Iran and/or the Reactionary Guards?

Even civilians that support the regime do not deserve to die. Your morality is terrible

How do you agree that Israel is a genocidal state when you justify them committing even more crimes in Iran

Besides, the British and Turks enforced a state on Palestine before there was a modern Israel.

If you think i support British and turkey occupation you are wrong. Also without the British allowing Zionists to come from Europe Israel wouldn't have occupied Palestinians

[–] DMCMNFIBFFF@lemmy.world -2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don’t support that.

No you don’t.

Yeah. You're right. I don't—again, I don’t support that.

Even civilians that support the regime do not deserve to die. Your morality is terrible

They don't.

When you are involved in armed struggle, you don't want to hurt the innocents.

When the Allies where shelling the shit out of Berlin in 1945, it's possible that a few hoped for no civilian casualties.

How do you agree that Israel is a genocidal state when you justify them committing even more crimes in Iran

When Israel pops off some Hamas punk, generally many civilians also suffer; and that's in addition to the wanton injury, death, and destruction that they are inflicting on the Gazans (as well as those in the West Bank and Golan). However, if some military or quasi-military supporter of the ISLAMIC Republic of Iran gets blown to bits, and the lady civilian who serves him tea also dies, the latter is tragic, but some might accept it as an acceptable loss. May Allāh regard her with favour.

[–] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

When the Allies where shelling the shit out of Berlin in 1945, it's possible that a few hoped for no civilian casualties.

The allies didn't say they will do a genocide against German unlike Israel. The real point of comparison is Israel being similar to Nazi Germany

You can keep saying the dumb war is hell and collateral damage BS, it doesn't change the fact that israeli intent are very clear about causing harm to civilians. A genocidal state caring about limiting the number of civilians causalities how does that make sense?

[–] DMCMNFIBFFF@lemmy.world -2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Of course it wasn't a genocide: many Germans had blond hair, blue eyes, and fine Aryan features. I'm sure many Allied soldiers were a little sad about killing those handsome young men and beautiful Christian women.

Gaza is different. The victims have darker complexions, speak incomprehensibly, and many are Mohammatens. Talk of genocide is less verboten.

That's probably one reason why the Allies, particularly 70-80 years ago, didn't talk as much about genociding the Germans compared to what Israel is doing to Gaza.

In either case, if you want never to (greatly) risk harming or killing an innocent civilian, then you should probably participate in neither war nor armed struggle.

[–] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Of course it wasn't a genocide

Yes but you was comparing israel with the allies .

In either case, if you want never to (greatly) risk harming or killing an innocent civilian, then you should probably participate in neither war nor armed struggle.

Don't tell any person in occupied land not to fight a war that they didn't chose to but was forced among them

You would tell the same thing to Indian, Tunisian, Algerian etc? You would tell Nat turner to not oppose slave owners?

[–] DMCMNFIBFFF@lemmy.world -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yes but you was comparing israel with the allies .

in regards to shooting Hamas punks and active supporters of the ISLAMIC Republic of Iran.

Don’t tell any person in occupied land not to fight a war that they didn’t chose to but was forced among them

I don't and wouldn't.

You would tell the same thing to Indian, Tunisian, Algerian etc?

Again, no, but wasn't Gandhi a pacifist?

You would tell Nat turner to not oppose slave owners?

no. However, FWIW:

wp:Nat Turner's Rebellion

The rebels killed White people without discriminating by age or sex.[16][17] Turner's slaveowner and his family were the first to be killed. The rebels then traveled from house to house, freeing slaves and killing Whites.[15] Historian Stephen B. Oates writes that Turner called on his group to "kill all the white people".[18]

According to the Richmond Enquirer, "Turner declared that 'indiscriminate slaughter was not their intention after they attained a foothold, and was resorted to in the first instance to strike terror and alarm.'"[19] A few homes were spared "because Turner believed the poor White inhabitants 'thought no better of themselves than they did of negroes.'"[18] The rebels also avoided the Giles Reese plantation, even though it was en route, likely because Turner wanted to keep his wife and children safe.[20] Turner confessed to killing only one person, Margaret Whitehead, whom he killed with a blow from a fence post.[15] The last house to be attacked was the Rebecca Vaughan House.

[–] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Again Israel is the aggressor like Nazi Germany. Iran and Palestine in this case are the allies not Israel. Before you use the democracy argument i will tell you that many autocratic countries was with the allies

Again, no, but wasn't Gandhi a pacifist?

I don't talk about Gandhi . I talk about people like Nana Sahib

The Bibighar Massacre took place during the Indian Rebellion of 1857, after the besieged British garrison at Cawnpore (Kanpur) surrendered to rebel forces led by Nana Sahib under a promise of safe passage. During the evacuation, a massacre occurred at Satichaura Ghat, where most British men were killed. Around 120–200 women and children were then taken captive and confined in a villa called Bibighar. As British forces approached to retake the city, Nana Sahib and his advisors—reportedly in retaliation for British actions against Indians—ordered the execution of the captives.

[–] DMCMNFIBFFF@lemmy.world -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Again Israel is the aggressor like Nazi Germany. Iran and Palestine in this case are the allies not Israel. Before you use the democracy argument i will tell you that many autocratic countries was with the allies

Germany was at least a semi-functioning democracy before 1933. Germans suffered neither a Holocaust, nor did they suffer an existential threat. The countries Germany invaded were also at least a semi-functioning democracies as well as that existed for decades, if not centuries. Arguably the Sudetenlander had it better under Czech rule that Nazi-rule. Nazi Germany got its ass handed to them by the allies, and at least 60% of it not only were the better for it. since then, Germany has had decades of unprecedented peace and prosperity.

Palestine was what? Ruled by the British, and before that the Turks, and before that some Arab Caliph? Jews suffered a Holocaust and presumably nobody wanted them: not Europe, not Canada and US, despite having millions of sq km of land stolen from the indigenous, and perhaps neither Asians nor Arabs. Israel's neighbours aren't and weren't democracies. Jews were at best 2nd classed citizens in those countries. Today Israel is at least a semi-functioning democracy. 20% of its population are Arab-speakers.

Israel is an aggressor, but it's far from being like the Nazis.

As for the Allies, yes, the USSR was bad. It's why many post-Soviet countries, particularly Ukraine, never want to be under Kremlin rule again.

I don’t talk about Gandhi . I talk about people like Nana Sahib

Around 120–200 women and children were then taken captive and confined in a villa called Bibighar. As British forces approached to retake the city, Nana Sahib and his advisors—reportedly in retaliation for British actions against Indians—ordered the execution of the captives.

So he was a mass murderer. nice.

[–] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)
[–] DMCMNFIBFFF@lemmy.world -1 points 2 days ago

no support :'(