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The much maligned "Trusted Computing" idea requires that the party you are supposed to trust deserves to be trusted, and Google is DEFINITELY NOT worthy of being trusted, this is a naked power grab to destroy the open web for Google's ad profits no matter the consequences, this would put heavy surveillance in Google's hands, this would eliminate ad-blocking, this would break any and all accessibility features, this would obliterate any competing platform, this is very much opposed to what the web is.

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[–] beefcat@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

you need a Microsoft signed stub to boot anything other than Windows on a PC

Not necessarily, most motherboards and laptops (at least every single one I've ever owned) allow users to enroll their own Secure Boot keys and maintain an entirely non-Microsoft chain of trust. You can also disable secure boot entirely.

Major distros like Ubuntu and Fedora started shipping with Microsoft-signed boot shims as a matter of convenience, not necessity.

Secure Boot itself is not some nefarious mechanism, it is a component of the open UEFI standard. Where Microsoft comes in to play is the fact that most PC vendors are going to pre-enroll Microsoft keys because they are all shipping computers with Windows, and Microsoft wants Secure Boot enabled by default on machines shipping with with their operating system.

[–] Gsus4@lemmy.one 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

You can't disable secure boot if you want to use your Nvidia GPU :( though. [edit2: turns out this is a linux mint thing, not the case in Debian or Fedora]

Edit: fine, there may be workarounds and for other distros everything is awesome, but in mint and possibly Ubuntu and Debian for a laptop 2022 RTX3060 you need to set up your MOK keys in secure mode to be able to install the Nvidia drivers, outside secure mode the GPU is simply locked. I wasn't even complaining, there is a way to get it working, so that's fine by me. No need to tell me that I was imagining things.

[–] beefcat@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

My experience is that Nvidia plays nicer without secure boot. Getting Fedora up and running with the proprietary Nvidia drivers and fully working SecureBoot was quite a headache, whereas everything just worked out of the box when I disabled it.

But this is very much an Nvidia problem and not a SecureBoot problem. There is a reason basically no-one else provides their drivers as one-size-fits-all binary kernel modules.

[–] buckykat@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

For now. They're boiling the frog slow.

[–] beefcat@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Microsoft doesn't control the standard, and the entire rest of the industry has no reason to ban non-Windows operating systems.

Widnows doesn't have the stranglehold over the market that it once did.

[–] Saturnlks@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Windows 11 is saying you're required to have tpm 2.0 enabled in your bios in order to upgrade. Didn't know what it was on my self built computer until recently when windows said my system wasn't compatible to upgrade.

[–] beefcat@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago

TPM and SecureBoot are separate UEFI features. Windows 11 requires TPM 2.0. If your system meets the CPU requirements, then it should support this without needing to install a hardware TPM dongle. However, until recently, many vendors turned had this feature turned off for some reason.

Where some confusion comes in is another Windows 11 requirement, that machines be SecureBoot capable. What this actually means in practice is that your system needs to be configured to boot in UEFI mode rather than CSM ("Legacy BIOS") mode.