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Recently joined and started a community for people who want to move away from Lemmy and want to see Lemmy loosen its stranglehold on the threadiverse, if that seems like something interesting to you consider checking out !cancel_lemmy@piefed.social

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[–] MoreZombies@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I thought anyone could create a Piefed instance, and it can be interacted with by both mbin and Lemmy?

[–] WatDabney@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

i presume you're questioning the assertion that it seems like an attempt to effectively centralize the fediverse?

Yes - anyone is free to start an instance.

However, a new instance is not going to get any communities on Piefed's preset list of subscrptions, nor is any community which the Piefed devs, for whatever reason, disapprove of or oppose or simply dislike. And that means that if Piefed can gain enough users (by, for instance, astroturfing the appearance of greater popularity than it in fact currently enjoys), then it will be able to effectively gatekeep the fediverse - to undermine or advance existing instances and create an insurmountable barrier to entry for new instances, by granting or withholding positions on its list of communities to which users are automatically subscribed.

Additionally, it seeks to do essentially the same thing to individual users, by instituting a karma system (something that the rest of the fediverse has not coincidentally avoided, since it was and is so easily and often abused on Reddit) and by automatically collapsing responses with 10 or more downvotes (it would be child's play to use bots to deal out ten downvotes to whoever one pleased). Again, if it can attract enough users, it will then have enough clout to effectively control the narrative not just in its own communities, but throughout the fediverse.

And those potentialities, in combination with the fact that Piefed has gone from being rarely if ever even mentioned at all to, in just the last few days, being mentioned hundreds if not thousands of times a day in threads on virtually any topic, makes me highly suspicious.

[–] MoreZombies@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So I understand, if I created my own instance of Piefed, the original developers have backdoor access to manage my communities?

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's incorrect, I don't know why the person you're replying too is thinking this

[–] MoreZombies@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago

The Piefed developers don't have backdoor access to remote communities.

What they have access to, is that communities they want to promote during the onboarding process, but that's not much more different than Lemmy already allowing admins to have "default blocks" for new joiners: https://lemmy.zip/post/33065677

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Piefed has gone from being rarely if ever even mentioned at all to, in just the last few days, being mentioned hundreds if not thousands of times a day in threads on virtually any topic, makes me highly suspicious.

You make interesting points, but for this specific thing, it almost certainly has to do with the .ee shutdown which was announced just a few days ago, apparently PieFed has fantastic comm transfer tooling so that's why it's probably been exploding in discussions since .ee has a number of large comms that are trying to figure out their next steps

[–] WatDabney@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago

That undoubtedly had some effect.

But then, look at this thread for a particularly egregious counterexample.