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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (20 children)

illegally federalize National Guard troops

There's a lot of issues going on, but one of the biggest is nothing about that was illegal.

I mean, if it wasnt legal then we wouldn't have been able to do it to enforce school desegregation decades ago.

I know we agree in spirit, but in these times it's important for people to understand what's happening, why it's an issue, and what we need to do to ensure it doesn't happen again.

[–] SwampYankee@feddit.online 44 points 2 days ago (9 children)

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/12406

Orders for these purposes shall be issued through the governors of the States or, in the case of the District of Columbia, through the commanding general of the National Guard of the District of Columbia.

As Newsom stated in his letter, the order was not issued through him, therefor not pursuant to the law, or in other words, illegal.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

So you think it was illegal when the NG escorted Black kids to school in Arkansas against the wishes of the Governor of Arkansas?

https://www.history.com/articles/little-rock-nine-brown-v-board-eisenhower-101-airborne

Like, you're acting like this is unprecedented, and that's just flat out wrong...

Quick edit:

Newsom has a D by his name, but he's still a lying piece of shit that was sucking up to the right very very recently.

Don't just believe anything he says as gospel.

People need to be informed these days, don't just back anyone on your "team". Especially not someone who would never consider you as their own team.

[–] Schmoo@startrek.website 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Legal ≠ moral. Both instances of mobilizing the national guard against the wishes of the states' governors were illegal, but one was moral and the other is not. One could argue that by breaking the law the first time a precedent was set that allowed it to be done again for a less noble cause, but I disagree. The fact that it was possible for Eisenhower to federalize the national guard without the state governor's approval in the first place means that nothing would stop it from happening in the future regardless of whether or not a precedent was set.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

Both instances of mobilizing the national guard against the wishes of the states’ governors were illegal, but one was moral and the other is not.

What?

It went to the SC, it was/is legal.

You have your opinion on if it should be legal, and are treating that like it's the actual legal reality.

That is absolutely not how America's legal system works. And these aren't the only two examples.

This same precedent came up in 2020 about vaccine mandates. If you hadn't heard about this before last weekend, that's fine...

Just don't insist you're an expert immediately. Some people paid attention

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