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[–] C4RP3_N0CT3M@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Communism is authoritarian by nature. If everyone doesn't subscribe to the communist ideology, then the model simply doesn't work. This means you literally have no choice in a communist society but to be subjected to it. You also need some sort of authority to enforce the redistribution. Who decides who does that, and who gets what? My opinion is that the only way it'd work is maybe with AI, but even then, those in power will likely just manipulate the technology to continue to benefit themselves.

[–] norbert@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

On the same hand, even if you don't subscribe to capitalist ideology you're forced to participate.

We (at least in the U.S.) have no real safety net for people who are unable to provide for themselves for whatever reason. Capitalism is great if you're the one with the capital but if not the world can be a brutal, uncaring place and you can quite literally die on the street.

Crime is endemic to capitalism and I feel like better social safety nets would pay huge dividends in a lot of ways.

[–] C4RP3_N0CT3M@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago

That may be accurate, but we were discussing communism, not capitalism.

[–] rainh@kbin.social -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Capitalism is not an ideology though. It's just what naturally happens when humans interact with each other. Saying it's an ideology is like saying atheism is a religion. No, it's what happens when there is no religion.

Crime is also not endemic to capitalism. It happens in all societies, including communist ones.

[–] norbert@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

There are many many primitive societies with no concept of capital or capitalism so I think I'd take issue with your assertion that capitalism is "just what naturally happens when humans interact with each other."