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With the only one quoting this from personal interviews being Sebastian Leber who is known to polemizise and violate journalistic standards. Also in the same article he brushes away any critic on Israel, including the critic of Apartheid. He does not make any remarks as to which role the quoted person would play in the organization.
https://feddit.org/post/12828383/6778065
Hey Saleh,
if multiple organizations and newspapers are saying that some organization is problematic, it might simply be true. It doesn't help to attack the credibility of journalists if they are writing things you do not want to accept.
So let's take this 148 page report about BDS antisemitism with lots of examples for violence on BDS protests and let's see how you want to discredit the authors:
https://report-antisemitism.de/documents/2024-03-14_Antisemitismus-bei-BDS.pdf
(and my whole point is: Palestine has too many false friends. With antisemitic fuckwits on their side, they won't win. There won't be peace. Hamas sympathizers on the streets will kill public support. All those brainrot antisemitic accounts coming here on every Israel post will not lead to a peaceful middle east, it will lead to the opposite. Even murdering every Jew in Israel and founding a Palestine from river to the sea will not lead to a peaceful middle east. The solution is not supporting groups like those here)
Sebastian Leber is not a credible source as pointed out. Pointing out the credibility of a source is relevant and providing better sources is necessary. For journalists and historians critique of sources is one of the key aspects of their work. In that sense your argument of rebuking false friends should equally be applied to Leber as he is discrediting the fight against antisemitism.
Employing that source critique should also apply to RIAS, who published your source. RIAS says on their website that they work closely with the "Zentralrat der Juden in Deutschland", which morphed over the past decades to become radically pro Israel. Among other things it published an "opinion peace" in its "Jüdische Allgemeine" paper which claimed "The civillians in Gaza aren't innocent" and justified the murder of civilians. It backtracked and published a reaction by a Jewish German journalist who asked how they could come to "elevate this inhumane (menschenverachtend) polemic into the paper".
RIAS uses the IHRA Definition and considers calling Israel an Apartheid state as antisemitic, as it would delegitimize Israel. The ICJ is therefore antisemitic as it concluded that Israel is violating the prohibition of Apartheid or Racial seggregation.
https://report-antisemitism.de/documents/25-06-24_RIAS_Bund_Jahresbericht_2023.pdf
P 17:
P 18:
While Israel is mass murdering civilians damaging Israeli flags that are presented at German public buildings is considered "antisemitic" by the RIAS.
Just a few paragraphs earlier:
So RIAS acknowledges that conflating Judaism and Israel is antisemitic, but at the same time does not employ this standards to themselves.
P31
Here the circle closes. By considering boycott calls towards Israel as antisemitic a large swath of people and demonstrations can be deligitmized as antisemitic. Again this logic includes the ICJ who made it clear that any economic activity that helps facilitate the illegal occupation of Palestinian territories by Israel must be stopped.
Again, calling out the Nakba as ethnic cleansing or genocidal and the seizure of territory by force as colonialism is apparently antisemitic to RIAS.
P 38
The 07. October 2023 is considered an "even of extreme violence with genocidal Character" by RIAS. In the same report that is saying that calling Israel an Apartheid state or genocidal is antisemitic.
P 42
RIAS accuses German public broadcasters as "distributing fake-information". It further claims Hamas would have spread fake-information.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Ahli_Arab_Hospital_explosion
As for the discussion about the origin of the attack, for which after a lot of back and forth an Israeli fragmentation bomb is identified as the likely source, RIAS just cuts this short, assuming the attribution to Israel to be "fake-information".
P 44
So RIAS claims to not consider calling out genocide as antisemitic per se, despite giving examples where they do not explain why it would be antisemitic in this context. In the particular example given now "One genocide does not justify another one“ is considered as equating the it with the Holocaust. This is frankly absurd. Especially since the attacks of October 7, but also before Israel is constantly referring to the Holocaust as a key justification for its attacks and oppression against Palestinians and many more people in neighboring countries.
Calling Israel a murderer of children is considered antisemitic by RIAS. The UN just reported that in the next days 14,000 Babies in Gaza will be killed by starvation unless the blockade is lifted. Even the Israeli opposition is now crying out the "murder of babies as a hobby."
Now to get to the BDS report of RIAS:
P 4 preamble
"An act of genocidal violence ... the distributed videos of heinous acts aim at instilling fear in Jews worldwide"
This decontextualizes the attacks and motivations of Hamas, who employ acts of terror but whose actions are targeted at achieving their political goals in regards to Israel/Palestine. Hamas is often likened to Al-Quaida or ISIS, i.e. by Netanyahu, to create an idea of it being a threat to western countries.
P 49 that is linkes as source:
From the source linked in the report:
RIAS ignores the context that in the morning of the 07. October it was only known that the border wall and army stations have been overrun, which is covered by the right of people to resist their occupation and needs to be differentiated from terrorist attacks on civilians, for which evidence emerged during the day. Also note RIAS mixing 07. and 08. October. This can happen as a tipo but should not, as the chronology is crucial here to see what is legitimate and what is terror sympathy.
EDIT: i realized this will get way too long. I will see if i will make the analysis in a seperate form and link the article for interested readers.
P 12
Here the RIAS is employing the IHRA definition as the "go to definition". They earlier mentioned the existence of the JDA but didn't consider that by the JDA definition this book might fall apart. Again Israel is considered to be "one of the most important Symbols of current jewish Life" which is blurring the lines between Judaism and Israel and excludes antizionist Jews.
P 13 for the state of the German academic debate
RIAS is focusing solely on the German academic debate and marking it as indicative of the global academic debate as a whole.
The sources they quote:
From the Introduction
So by this academics idea Israel is the victim, not the perpetrator of violence in the Middle East. With the genocidal statements we have heard en masse since October 7, but also before from Israeli politics this discredits this source in my eyes.
I'd like to positively point out for RIAS that they mentioned Asseburg. In an Interview a few month before October 7 2023 she stated that the current state of oppression is unsustainable and will lead to an escalation of violence.
P14
This is the key thesis of RIAS in the publication.
"There is indeed scientific arguments against a general evaluation of BDS as antisemitic... However the impression would be wrong that a "differentiating approach" towards antisemitism in the BDS network would lead to an equal distance between BDS approvers and critics. This publication will show that those who look with differentiation at the history, actors, demands and acts of BDS and includes Jewish perspectives will gravitate to the conclusion that the methods and argumentations of BDS are indeed to be seen as antisemitic."
We need to dissect this. By looking at the campaign as a whole the conclusion of RIAS is that the methods and argumentations of BDS are indeed antisemitic. So not the methods and argumentations are evidence of the antisemitism of the campain being antisemitic, but rather the campaign by antisemitic is evidence of the antisemitism of the methods and argumentations.
The question is which methods and argumentations exactly RIAS considers to be proven antisemitic by their publication. Does it extent to boycotts as a whole or is it more specific?
For this i'd like to point towards the ICJ rulings again, who demand to end all economic activities (and other activities) that help Israel facilitate its illegal occupation of Palestinian territories. Further we need to remember that the ICJ rules Israel in violation of the prohibition of Apartheid and racial segregation. This creates an upper ceiling of how far RIAS can go without discrediting itself. If RIAS goes beyond that, they position themselves against international law as it is interpreted by the ICJ who is the recognized authority for doing that.
Lets dive in:
P 17
This alludes to the question raised above. RIAS acknowledges that boycott is not automatically equal to the BDS campaign. We will see how this plays out in the further parts of the publication.
RIAS acknowledges BDS to be a global phenomenon. It says that the debate in Germany should be focused on Germany and Europe, while taking statements from Palestinians into account. They then limit again that the question of Antisemitism in the BDS campaign should be focused on Germany and Europe and not look at "different positions on the "arab-israeli" conflict." Note that they refer to "occupied Palestinian territories and the Gaza strip". This is in contradiction to the ICJ ruling that Gaza is also occupied by Israel by exerting the control over all land, sea and air borders of Gaza even before the ground invasion since October 2023.
RIAS acknowledges the difficulty of concluding from an individual to a group and therefore needs to see a consistency between statements and actions and the build this into a larger context.
P 19 - P 22
RIAS draws on the history of the term "apartheid state" and boycott demands. RIAS suggests that these are antisemitic by giving examples of these preceeding the 1967 war and subsequent occupation of Gaza, East Jerusalem and the Westbank. However the Nakba and the treatment of Palestinians in Israel is not mentioned as a source of calling Israel an "apartheid state" or accusing Israel of "ethnic cleansing" and "genocide"
P 23
RIAS acknowledges that equating the NS-boycotts against Jews and BDS-boycotts is wrong, despite a lack of sensibility of the boycott movement according to RIAS. This brings us back to Leber, who makes this equation in his polemic.