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[–] Vespair@lemm.ee 20 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

I used to read through history and so frequently I would wonder things like "how did these serfs just put up with this for so long?"

I no longer wonder these things.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 10 hours ago

there's also the matter that most of the time, you didn't have to deal with noble strangers with horses expecting your loyalty (often, not the same nobles and horses as the last ones to come around). There may be the local lord but he had good cause to keep things consistent and open up the grain reserves whenever the winter was bad and crops failed.

But the keen thing that changed in the 20th century is we went from a desperate labor shortage to a labor surplus. There was just tons to do and no giant machines with which to do them. Death was right around the corner: A boar attack here, a bad influenza there, any kind of infection (no antibiotics), so people were dropping dead often enough that every last idiot, hunchback and bastard daughter were celebrated as a strong back that could churn butter or assemble barrels or pitch hay.

In fact, society was so fraught that clergy who knew the deal would look the other way when peasants were rutting like bunnies out of wedlock in springtime. (Stories are told and songs are sung of parish priests who were a bit strict on the sins, and how they had a tendency toward morbid mishap.)

We have crusades and territorial disbutes to thank for higher ranks getting into common business. The Third Crusade (King Richard v. Salah ad-Din) squeezed the peasants hard in England. Then Richard went cooky, disguised himself as a merchant, and was seized for ransom, and a king's ransom was a lot. So the peasants were squeezed so hard it hurt the earls, and John of England (last of his name to this very day) was already a Trumpian / Neroesque asshole, and the economy was already tanked when Richard died in 1199, and at that point enough people were pissed off at unilateral monarchy they made John sign the Magna Carta at swordpoint. Several times.

And that was the beginning of the end of monarchy.

[–] Pnut@lemm.ee 3 points 10 hours ago

I was thinking something similar in regards to the amount of time it takes. If dystopia and dictatorship is coming to the "free world" the dictators have learned to land that plane gently. It's nuts that things haven't properly broken completely. We just keep putting up with small adjustments. I don't think the serfs would have gone from, say, 2008 to 2025 without some sort of uproar or downright rebellion. Then again. Not my area of expertise.