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[–] HughJanus@lemmy.ml -5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People doing the 'well actually' thing for individual climate impacts are inadvertently being patsies for corporations to continue to deflect scrutiny

No one is doing that. I could very easily just say that you're just doing the opposite. That is, deflecting personal responsibility from individuals and just blaming corporations. It's very easy to just lean back and blame corporations for your choices but the reality is that they simply couldn't sell this bullshit if individuals weren't buying them.

[–] Cabrio@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

And in the same turn, consumers can't buy a product that doesn't exist. Until more environmentally friendly products are on the market made by the producers, consumers don't have a real choice, abstention is not a viable choice.

I still need food, I require the ability to move those groceries from the shop to my car to my house, but if no one produces an environmentally friendly way to do so then I'm at the mercy of the plastic bags, bottles, containers, and wrapping I've been provided.

Just like we couldn't use unleaded gasoline until they started making unleaded gasoline.

Just like we can't start using renuable energy until they start making renuable energy.

Just like we can't recycle our waste because we don't have the infrastructure to recycle our waste.

Just like we can't take mass transport that hasn't been built, or use green energy infrastructure that doesn't exist, or buy products without plastic that don't exist.

[–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The idea that there is only two options: do nothing or do 100 %, is a comfort zone. People who argue for personal responsibility argue that everyone should do as much as they can.

[–] Cabrio@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

And those that argue for corporate and government responsibility do too, with the addition that they are smart enough to recognise personal responsibility isn't enough and isn't possible at scale without systemic change.

It's not that you're wrong, it's that you're wasting your breath preaching to a choir that has additional comprehension.

[–] HughJanus@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I require the ability to move those groceries from the shop to my car to my house, but if no one produces an environmentally friendly way to do so then I'm at the mercy of the plastic bags, bottles, containers, and wrapping I've been provided.

Bruh have you never heard of reusable bags? Made of cloth? Or even just bringing your plastic bags back to the store?

You're right about most of these things, but those aren't the types of things I'm referring to.

[–] Cabrio@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bruh have you heard of packaging? Go buy a packet of chips in something that isn't plastic, good luck purchasing those and toting them out in your reusable bag with that handful of sour cream, and pocket full of frozen peas.

[–] HughJanus@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

those aren't the types of things I'm referring to.

[–] Cabrio@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And those that argue for corporate and government responsibility do the things you are referring to, with the addition that they are smart enough to recognise personal responsibility isn't enough and isn't possible at scale without systemic change.

It's not that you're wrong, it's that you're wasting your breath preaching to a choir that has additional comprehension.

[–] HughJanus@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Except that they clearly don't, or they wouldn't say such absurd things.

[–] Cabrio@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Except we do because I am one. Reusable bag using government responsibility pusher right here. So instead of being disingenuously belligerent, check your ego at the recycling center. Oh wait, they haven't built one.

[–] HughJanus@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Then maybe say what you mean instead of telling people who are responsible that they aren't.

[–] Cabrio@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I did say what I mean, your lack of comprehension and inability to ask clarifying questions is a you problem.

[–] HughJanus@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's good. Blame other people for not asking questions when you say the opposite of what you mean. You're so dark and mysterious.

[–] Cabrio@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Everyone else gets it, why can't you? You're in charge of your own education.

[–] HughJanus@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

They don't get it or you wouldn't be saying it.

You're like those "antiwork" morons that claim they want to work and then act like victims when people laugh in the face of their preposterous positions and don't understand why their intentions are being misinterpreted.

And those "defund the police" morons who are equally confused as to why no one understands them.

[–] Cabrio@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's like you can't read, let alone comprehend context and nuance, and then you call everyone else an idiot because you're too slow to keep up. Keep up sunshine, what you're pushing for is what we already intuit as bare minimum.

[–] HughJanus@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I can read just fine, honey. You can't write the opposite of what you mean and then expect your readers to "context and nuance" their way into your brain to read your mind.

[–] Cabrio@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

You're that person coming last in the race who shouts at the person in first place who's about to lap you, 'Keep up, honey!"