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You're forgetting something critical, cars are computers and can be updated or even bricked remotely with the current systems in place. This is an unacceptable risk from a foreign power, only a close ally (not the US anymore) should even potentially be able to supply these.
I would actually like to see any sort of over the air update systems be banned, it should only be possible when plugged in physically.
The only thing that should be possible remotely is reading info.
For that part, I'd be equally scared of any company, no matter it's origin. So as solution, I'd prefer if we get laws that ensures there is option for concerned users to completely disable remote telemetry. I don't need my car internet connected just so I can see the tire pressure in an app, I'd rather a car not share my location 24/7 and driving data only for companies to sell it to cheapest bidder.
Almost all laptops you've touched over the last decade are made in China or Vietnam. Most computer motherboards are made in China or Vietnam. My Framework laptop is made in Taiwan but its mainboard is Chinese. Most Android phones are made in China or Vietnam. So are most iPhones.
All of the factory software loading happens at the place of manufacture. Some of the software is made there too. Some of these computers have had compromised factory software which has been subsequently fixed. Cough.. Lenovo.. cough. Yet Lenovo is used at Canadian banks and other critical infrastructure places.
What I'm trying to say is that the computers on wheels aren't a uniquely problematic domain. We have regulation for secure domains that systems have to pass audits and such. The same mechanism can be used for cars of any manufacture. I don't know how BYD software updates work by default but for example Ford doesn't do software updates without explicit agreement from the user letting them do it. If BYD works differently, it can be forced to change. Do you think the EU let BYD sell spying equipment on wheels that doesn't comply with the GDPR? I doubt it. We can ask for the same software compliance.
It's far easier to detect software issues on a computer compared to a car, they're much more open ecosystems for software
Kind of. The high level OS modules are using QNX, Linux and Android. Lower level modules can be more arcane.
Am working in NA automotive and data collection is very much discussed in terms of what's allowed in different jurisdictions and modules are configured differently for different markets accordingly.
What does that have to do with how proprietary the auto systems are?
It's far easier to detect a compromise on Windows or Linux than on a custom embedded system for which there is zero public documentation.
There’s already a precedent for this with most of our technology in our country and we already implement safeguards against this. I’m not worried about this being any different
No there isn't
Any vehicle that can recieve an ota update can be remotely bricked.
You said "we already implement safeguards against this"
No there isn't.
Uuuummm, the fuck ya talking about?
There aren't safeguards to protect us from a car manufacturer intentionally disabling vehicles.
We normally don't worry about products we buy having hidden bombs ready to be triggered by a genocidal government the manufacturer is beholden to. Same for bricking. It is bad for business.
A government agency independent of our spy/political systems, could administer all updates. wired or air doesn't matter much.
The computers in cars can NOT be 'bricked',updated OS or not. You need a LOT of evidence to support that claim'
https://www.theverge.com/2015/7/21/9009213/chrysler-uconnect-vulnerability-car-hijack
I mean, it's literally already happened, and this was a hacker doing it so it's even easier for a car company to do it.
Any vehicle with OnStar can also be remotely disabled as well, it's literally advertised as an anti-theft feature. https://www.onstar.com/tips/stolen-vehicle-assistance-helps-stop-thieves
If your car can be contacted remotely (almost every modern vehicle) I guarantee you that it's possible for the manufacturer to brick it. It may not even require an update, there could be a hidden command in the existing software since the software is not publicly available to validate, nor is it being validated by the regulatory authorities.
It depends on exactly what you mean by 'bricked'. Take over the operation of the car, or just cause it to stop functioning? Teslas are easy to disable remotely. Just botch up the navigation system. But to cause them to deliberately crash? Takeover the complete control of the car?
Maybe not complete control, but maybe taking away breaks yes: https://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-highway/
There is always the purely mechanical emergency brake.
I simply mean it can't be used. Doesn't even need to be as bad as doing it while driving.
A foreign power able to disable the transportation for even 1 in 5 personal vehicles would be devestating to the country. The economic effects would be massive.
Yeah, then they would be forced to take public transportation.
The public transportation infrastructure wouldn't hold up to that large a spike in demand
Not to mention that public transit doesn't even exist everywhere in the first place
Then on top of that, you'd have to pay for public transport while probably still paying off the car loan (which wouldn't just magically disappear because they break)
Also, car prices for everyone would go through the roof as demand shoots way up for a couple of years, since there isn't enough supply from the remaining companies to cover a 1 in 5 replacement for the entire country in any less time.
Then you'd have to deal with the millions of non-functional vehicles, towing and recycling them.