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I do wonder how all the "violence is never the answer" folks will go if it comes to that. I think a lot of them would side with ICE, sadly.
Personally, I won't be upset if a would-be nazi meets an abrupt end to their career.
Violence is not the answer. Violence is the question. And the answer is "Yes"
That reads like a Cave Johnson quote.
when life asks you if violence is the answer, you BURN THEIR HOUSE DOWN with the LEMON BOMBS‼️‼️
Yes! He's saying what we're all thinking!
The colonies didn't resort to violence when unfairly taxed, they just offered a tea party.
Ooops. Sounds like you accidentally picked up a Texas MAGA "history" book? Or maybe one covering the 18th century or before?
Read some news.
Countries simply taking land they want, killing millions, and getting away with it is still a thing.
Have you ever heard about the WW2?
I hope to see a time when it's commonly accepted that Starship Troopers is not a fascist book, just a smart one.
The movie does, of course, accuse it of being fascist while pretending it's satire.
Anyway, in history the conflict seemed like "military with the fascists or under fascists, and often helping fascists", but in a lot of modern situations it seems that militaries are the component fascists fear most and try to neuter or spend in useless wars or corrupt. Every period of history is different. So maybe Starship Troopers being militarist is not a fascist trait too.
Which is implicit support for covert, hidden violence. The stronger side, the government, the mafia have an advantage in that. The people have an advantage in open violence between the resistance and them.
It just appears that a lot of people are like "I won't support violence until it's bad enough", well, how those dorks would know it's bad enough if when violence is unacceptable nobody can resist or raise their voice and it all remains silent until too late? You don't know when it's bad enough. You can live your whole remaining life thinking it's still fine, because all the worthy people have been killed\imprisoned silently.
A citizen doesn't owe a state any reservation in citizen's demands. A citizen not having that doesn't hurt the society, quite the opposite. So if you feel that the situation demands reservation from you, for some supposedly good reasons, then it means it's very bad. All conflicts in life are too hard and require all your effort and you still often lose, so being reserved for some supposed moral rule without good explanation is not an answer, it's a scam, a Troyan horse, it means your are being deceived to give up without a fight. Probably that you already have.
“Violence is never the answer” types are just controlled opposition. Any and every peaceful protest that doesn't have the risk of escalating to violence can and is just ignored. Did those anti war protests against Bush II's wars ever amount to anything?
I'm inclined to agree. Unfortunately, a lot of moderators on lemmy and other sites have a very strong "no calls for violence" stance.
Let me be clear to any moderators here: I am not telling people to get an ICE agent pelt. I am simply predicting it will happen and choosing not to be upset about it.
We're just talking about history here. No one's calling for violence.
Like violence and threats in the past are okay, but never in the present?
If you're inciting violent civil insurgency, you're a criminal in the present. If successful, you may be accepted, even celebrated, retrospectively. It's not a question of right or wrong, but of who is currently in power.
What did I say that was a threat?
You're absolutely right with thinking they'll stick with ICE. People who value Status Quo over all else ("it hurts my head thinking about the world changing, why can't everything just stay the same???????") always have and always will capitulate to Fascist regimes, because it removes the need for critical thought and the obligation to stand for anything. Moderates will be the death of us if we let them.
It's not a new thought. There's the grey hypocritical mass that obeys, which is the main body behind any fascist regime.
BTW, von Stauffenberg was pretty extreme right, yet he tried to assassinate Hitler, it's not known of any moderates trying to do that.