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[–] Theprogressivist@lemmy.world 102 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Start by removing Qualified Immunity.

[–] Shyanide@lemmy.world 37 points 20 hours ago (4 children)

While this is definitely needed, I don't think it's a starting point.

IMO, a good place to start is instituting policies requiring LEOs/PDs carry liability insurance. Similar to doctors and other medical practices (in the US). An officer is found guilty or misconduct or violating a citizen's right? Penalties are taken out of their insurance and their premium increases. Can't afford the premium? Guess who's looking for a new job?

The way I see, the pigs can keep their criminal immunity, but civil matters will have a more direct financial incentive for them to behave like they have morals.

[–] albert180@piefed.social 15 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

That's another "market economy" solution.

Maybe start with the training. It's ridiculously short in the US compared to European countries where the training takes usually multiple years, before you're allowed to go on your own

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 3 points 16 hours ago

Longer training isn't going to help, they need better training

[–] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 22 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Fight police with capitalism!

[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 1 points 31 minutes ago

I mean, if it works, it works. We've addressed a lot of societal problems via liability-based approaches. ADA ramps and disability access come to mind. It's not a perfect solution, but it's often a lot more tractable than trying to change the culture of an entire industry or profession. Activists spent decades trying to persuade architects and building owners to make their spaces accessible. But they simply didn't want to change. Designing public buildings with ramps and elevators can have real drawbacks, both practically and aesthetically, and the building industry didn't want to change. Congress could have made it illegal to not have ramps, a misdemeanor or felony, but who is legally responsible for a non compliant school? And does this sound like a law police would spend a lot of time enforcing? Are they going to devote resources to cracking down on inaccessible buildings?

In the end, it was simply easier to empower disabled people to be their own advocates. Let them sue building owners who won't make their structures accessible. No need to convince a prosecutor or bureaucrat that disability access is worth their time. The people most affected can lead the charge instead.

Overall, the approach has worked quite well. While not perfect, it has radically changed the degree of accessibility for disabled people to public buildings and spaces.

[–] Theprogressivist@lemmy.world 9 points 20 hours ago

Makes sense. Make them a liability that not even the most corrupt officials wouldn't want to help because it'd be too costly.

[–] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 7 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Get rid of pensions, pay them more, and require a full year of (quality) training.