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Is that for real? That's more than (many) private schools in Europe.
A 2 bedroom 1 bathroom house in Toronto costs more than a castle in france
Well to be fair, that's what it costs in many European countries, too.
That's why many women don't work. The cost is basically as high as a low paying or part time job.
That's why everyone needs free daycare. That will generate a higher GDP for everyone.
Interesting point. We should re-normalize the idea of the stay-at-home mom.
Let's be real, the people who promoted women going to work were almost always willing to shame those who decided not to. Let's stop doing that.
Stay at home parents should get paid. If free daycare would cost the government $20 a day, offer stay at home parents $10 a day and you save money while allowing people to raise their kids instead of strangers.
What in the tradwife?
Lets promote stay at home dads too. No reason to make this a gendered thing
Or we could have 2 day shifts of 20 hours and parents could each work one, that way neither is particularly vulnerable to financial abuse and neither has to sacrifice as much of raising their children.
https://www.daycarefee.com/countries/germany/
I don't have a full analysis, but at least this source points at 1500 to be the high end of the expensive cities in Germany, with public care as low as 100.
So is 2000 a "normal" value in many areas, or a high end of some?
I have the feeling this is inflated and we just accept.
$3000 is average in the big cities for infant care in a daycare center, and it drops down to about $2000 for toddlers.
Some places have options for home-based care where a person can get licensed to take care of children in their own home, and the prices are generally about half of that of the center-based care.
One big issue is ratios. If the wage for a child care worker is $30/hour including the cost of paid vacation, health insurance, and you need coverage for 9 hours per day, 5 days a week, while needing to maintain one teacher for every 4 kids, that's $340/week or about $1450/month for labor alone, assuming no overtime and perfect staffing ratios. Throw in food, rent, utilities, insurance, other operational expenses, and it's pretty much impossible to provide care for less than $2000/month per child on the costs side.
Thanks for sharing.
I checked for Netherlands and it seems to be easily over 2k a month for fulltime care (172-240 hours).
The thing I wasn't aware of is the subsidies low income parents receive. Up to 96%. Seems to be a bit lower in practice, but still almost all is covered.
That doesn't account for high cost areas, and is dependent on income. But the conclusion seems to be that it's far cheaper than I mentioned for the end consumer.
https://illumine.app/blog/how-much-childcare-costs-by-state-in-usa
So 2000 a month is greater than the max of the range in the most expensive states.
All values are crazy, don't get me wrong. But less crazy than originally stated.
Even the most expensive states are averaged out between cheap suburban and rural areas and the actual expensive cities where the jobs are. $2000/month would be an unbelievable bargain in cities like San Francisco or New York.
https://blog.dol.gov/2024/09/30/we-analyzed-5-years-worth-of-childcare-prices-heres-what-we-found#%3A%7E%3Atext=Monthly+childcare+prices+in+2018%2Cof+a+family%27s+median+income).
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/05/15/business/child-care-cost-average-annual
It can depend of state to state too. In Oklahoma, our cost of living is considered low but we have a high poverty rate. Our median income per household is 67k, and single income is 35k. Childcare for infants averages around $800 a month