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Funny how vocal Wayland haters used to be until they tried Wayland.
I mean, there was a point in time, quite some years back, when I had to do up modelines, but Xorg can generally handle things without an xorg.conf.
It has improved, but most developers working on Xorg have moved to Wayland. I'm not saying Xorg isn't still useful at times, like forwarding over SSH, but Wayland has more isolation & security considerations, which can be seen as both an advantage & limitation. However, Wayland compositors have implemented most controls & protocols now to fill in the gaps.
Do you really think ppl don't break their wayland setup? For example, some systems don't get a mouse cursor in wayland umless they switch the cursor to software rendering. To do that, they must often set an env var for the wayland process, but there is no standard way to do it. Half of them starts tinkering with their PAM and the others with their .profile . Sometimes this breaks every way to log in.
I'm sure some people do, but for the most part it is much better than X in that regard.
Dunno. Me and a friend had issues with Wayland, so we switched to X11 and that's already like forty percent of Linux community.
Still won't handle popup menu correctly, still won't allow copy/paste with CLI programs without using an extra, implementation-specific, piece of software, still won't allow some window to correctly detect their position.
Wayland might be interesting, but between blind haters and blind supporters, it's really annoying. Forcing people to switch while some basic features are "mostly working" is not helping.
I managed to work through all those issues using XDG portals & necessary software/configurations when using Hyprland & Arch, but I'd think that major distros & DEs also had solved them as part of their installs. Maybe I'm wrong. It is sad if they haven't, because they are solvable. If this was 2 years ago, I would understand the frustrations more, but if there are still issues then I am more frustrated at whoever is packaging the crap & sending it to end users without thinking to address these problems using the available solutions.
What are you referring to here? I haven't noticed anything out of place on KDE regarding copy/paste...
vim can't use the kde/wayland clipboard to copy/past properly, you have to script it through something. I've read it's related to non foreground app not being able to manipulate the clipboard or something close to that, which a CLI app will never be.
There are "solutions", mostly overriding vim behavior to write/read from that dedicated program, though. It's not a show stopper, but not every software allow this kind of flexibility.
Still gathering up my courage to make the switch. The better security / isolation between apps is a huge feature for me. But porting all of my shitty xorg-specific scripts and hacks will be a pain.