DISCLAIMER: this is not my content that was removed, I just came across it in the modlog and found it to be absurd. If it’s not allowed, I totally understand.
Reason removed was because it’s unrelated.
Unrelated…..
The guy was illegally deported without due process. And yet for some reason, suggesting so is somehow “unrelated” to a meme that is trying to say that because he is affiliated (no charges were ever filed against him for gang-related activity) with a gang, he is by default, guilty.
What’s ironic, is that the entire point of the meme is that the bullshit about him being in MS-13 is unrelated to the fact that people want accountability for this administration illegally deporting a man without due process.
This mod has definitely chosen the correct name.
And even taken into consideration that the instance is essentially a troll haven for wayward 4Chan refugees, they should still have to adhere to the rules of common sense.
They weren’t establishing guilt other than was he there illegally, which he was. They did determine that he is an MS-13 member.
The allegations of being a gang member were substantiated. Twice. They didn’t go “oh he didn’t show to traffic court, that means he’s a gang member allegedly” lol
He was ordered to be deported twice - that’s why another court then said he can’t be deported to El Salvador lol
You are a traitor to the constitution. Get the fuck out of our country, your lying cowardly ass doesn't deserve to live here.
Firstly I'm not in your country.
Secondly, you are arguing that an illegal immigrant who had TWICE been ordered to be deported.......should not only be allowed to stay in the USA, but to be brought back from his country (el salvador) into the country he was in illegally (USA).
Then you're calling me a "traitor" hahahahaha
Seriously, read the actual fucking legal documents linked in that biased-ass article. They denied him bond while waiting for the real hearing due to the gang allegations. Nothing more, nothing less. The judges themselves refer to them as allegations in their findings. The traffic court thing is unrelated to him being a gang member, it is relevant to if he should be released while waiting, which is the only thing they were finding on. I read the orders myself, they clearly make no finding on if he's in a gang and no findings on deportation.
This person isn't arguing in good faith. They straight up ignored my reply to try and argue with you. I linked the same documents that came from that same bullshit article they linked to me and they refuse to look at them, they just keep parroting, "proven in court twice! Proven in court twice!"
They're going to argue with anything they see, and they can't be swayed by facts.
Yeah, I saw. To be fair to them, I did respond after your last response, so perhaps that's why they jumped to responding to me instead. Who knows? And yeah, I was planning to give up on them if they did anything other than make a coherent response actually addressing my argument with something from the court docs, which I think is highly unlikely.
Bingo. Just going through notifications from top to bottom, but I’ll get to them all eventually.
I have a few questions for you:
I’m sorry I haven’t “straight up ignored” your reply, I’m working backwards through notifications when I can. Don’t worry, I’ll get to yours. I don’t ignore people trying to have a conversation with me, I thought that would be obvious to you since you seem to be following my replies.
I “keep parroting” that it was determined in court twice because - get this - it was. The gang member allegations were determined to be true by the immigration court, and then by the next court after that finding was appealed. Do you disagree with those statements?
I will gladly be proven wrong and happily admit when I am wrong, because I value learning over pretty much all else in my life. If you can show me that it has been determined in a court that he ISN’T an MS-13 gang member, go ahead.
The allegations were determined to be true. Do you think that gang members carry a gang membership card or something? There’s no “official” gang membership paperwork, everything is “alleged” even after courts deem the allegations to be true.
He admits to being in the country illegally. He was found to be a MS-13 gang member. Both of those things are cause for deportation individually. When you combine they it’s a slam dunk. The only reason he wasn’t deported was because of fear that MS-13s rival gang would persecute him upon his return, which basically confirms that he is an MS-13 member. If he’s not MS-13, why would MS-13s rival gang want him dead?
Why do you think that it even got to the ruling staying his deportation? Because he was going to be deported. 6 years ago. For some absurd reason he has just been able to wander around the USA as an illegal immigrant for the last 6 years because some judge said sending him home is dangerous because of a rival gang 🤣. What sort of stupid situation is that? Illegally in the country, known about, but allowed to stay because not allowed to send him to his home country where he is a citizen.
So what’s the next step? Deport him to a random country where he isn’t a citizen either, where they’ll just send him straight back? Put him in jail for breaking the law by coming in to the country illegally? They can’t just block the only available deportation destination so he gets to illegally stay in the USA forever. So again - what is the next step? What do YOU think should be done with him? He would NOT win any court case fighting against his illegal alien status because he is an illegal alien, self admittedly.
You're a fucking liar and a traitor.
No, they weren't! Quote me the legal text were the judge says that. You can't, it's not in there. I guess you still didn't read what the judges wrote because you just keep quoting that incorrect article. The judges found the allegations plausible enough to deny bond. That's it! There was no further legal finding. You keep saying over and over that it was "found" by the court but that's simply a lie. I don't know if you're being obtuse on purpose or not. Also, that's not how allegations work. Once it's been found true beyond a reasonable doubt by a court, it is no longer alleged. Judges only say alleged when they mean that something is unproven. It's pretty simple, I don't how this is confusing to you. So, there is no legal finding of gang membership, and any argument made on this fictitious "finding" is meaningless.
Lots of reasons a gang would want someone dead besides being in a rival gang. This argument is also meaningless. Taking out the remaining nonsense, there's not much else to respond to.
Same as anybody. He should be given his court case. What the judge says goes, subject to appeal. If the judge says deport him, then yeah, deport him, I wouldn't care then. What I care about is that the Fifth amendment says everyone gets due process. It doesn't say "unless they're sure to lose" or "unless you're convinced they're a gang member" or "unless they're an illegal immigrant." It does say, "No person shall be [...] deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law," which, unless you don't consider him a person, is pretty fucking clear.
Oh really? From the legal documents that YOU linked above, on page 9/13:
Then further down on page 10, the second judge:
Lets go further - Page 12:
Page 13:
So on this:
What court case? He admits to being an illegal immigrant. He was determined to be an MS-13 member. He was ordered to be deported in court. Trump invoked the Illegal Alien act which was used to deport him regardless of any withholding status. He had his days in court (he could have had more but he decided not to show up, even admitting that he lied about not knowing about them).
So after all that, do you want to change what you said here?
The Judges here determined that he is a member of MS-13. It's pretty simple, I don't know how this is confusing to you.
Consider this my reply also. I mean, at least they finally admitted the withholding status was granted (even if they turned that into 'six years after he was supposed to be deported!') but still. Even the "I don't know what site that is" nonsense when we provide actual court documents... it's clear they just googled 'evidence of what I want to be true' and went with the first thing.
Not worth my effort. Good luck, EpeeGnome.
I've never said that it wasn't. I've said many times that he had a withholding status, but that it doesn't matter due to the invocation of the illegal alien act.
So it's impossible for a person to not know exactly who owns or runs a site that showed up on google? You guys can't be serious lol. Again - the site does not matter if what they are reporting is verifiably true, which it was. What exactly is the issue with the site that I linked? Neither of you have actually pointed that out lol
Court documents that say the exact thing you're saying they DON'T say lol.
You: "Waaaah no judges said he is an MS-13 member, here's the proof!"
Also You: links to legal documents that mention multiple times that 2 judges determined him to be an MS-13 gang member
lol
Shit, I didn't think you had problems with reading comprehension. Sorry, let me be clearer.
When I said, "consider this my reply also," it meant "I'm no longer interested in talking to you."
When I said, "Not worth my effort," it meant "I'm no longer interested in talking to you."
And for perfect clarity, when I say, "I'm no longer interested in talking to you," I mean, "I know you're going to reply because you're that type, but I'm no longer interested in talking to you." This is my last reply to you.
It's cool. I have a learning disability, too. Glad I could help. Have a good one.
That doesn't mean I'm not going to reply to you. I'm going to reply to your post, and it's up to you if you want to reply again or not. You said you wouldn't - that's fine with me...........yet here you are :)
You don't get to choose when I stop replying to you, I do. Just don't reply if you don't want to :)
Clearly. Good on you for being upfront about it.