DISCLAIMER: this is not my content that was removed, I just came across it in the modlog and found it to be absurd. If it’s not allowed, I totally understand.
Reason removed was because it’s unrelated.
Unrelated…..
The guy was illegally deported without due process. And yet for some reason, suggesting so is somehow “unrelated” to a meme that is trying to say that because he is affiliated (no charges were ever filed against him for gang-related activity) with a gang, he is by default, guilty.
What’s ironic, is that the entire point of the meme is that the bullshit about him being in MS-13 is unrelated to the fact that people want accountability for this administration illegally deporting a man without due process.
This mod has definitely chosen the correct name.
And even taken into consideration that the instance is essentially a troll haven for wayward 4Chan refugees, they should still have to adhere to the rules of common sense.
So... the thing is, you linked a right-wing nutjob site, but! I looked into it anyway because I'm always willing to do that. And if you scroll down to where the rag you're linking says, "which he has disputed in court, are included in the release," you would see the word "included" there is a hyperlink to a justice.gov website, which is the documents involved with the subsection, "2019 detention and bond hearings" to which I directed you.
That document is an officer talking about the other men that Garcia was with, they're suspected ties to MS-13, and then they talk about Garcia. Why was he suspected of being with MS-13? He was wearing a Chicago Bulls hat. "Officers know such clothing to be indicative of the Hispanic gang culture." His crime was being in a Home Depot parking lot, looking for work, and wearing a Chicago Bulls hat. And I can't stress enough that the wikipedia link which you found less trustworthy than this garbage, had all of this information!
To continue showing evidence of what I say, here is a link to an actual court document, citing the withholding of removal order. Which was granted. What you're looking for is at the bottom of page 2- "Although Abrego Garcia was found removable, the immigration judge granted him withholding of removal to El Salvador in an order dated October 10, 2019."
That 'court document,' is the Defendant's Memorandum of Law in Opposition to Plaintiff's Emergency Motion for Temporary Restraining Order. Why am I emphasizing that? Because this was filed by the Department of Homeland Security. This is a document, supplied to court, by Trump's administration, which states that the withholding status was granted.
You can send me garbage articles from idiots all day but nothing will compete with, "Kristi Noem and the Department of Homeland Security list that the withholding status was granted in an actual filing with the court." And they not only state that it was granted, they do so under the heading, "Statement of Facts." Enjoy.
Finally, the reason that the Barrio 18 was after him had nothing to do with MS-13. They were after him, like they had been after his older brother before him- his mother owns a business, and the Barrio 18 were extorting her.
I'd say I'm looking forward to your next reply, but I'm sure it'll be an extensive moving of goalposts. He had the withholding status. He shouldn't have been deported. The Supreme Court agrees with me. That's really all I need.
I have no idea what the site is, came up as first result in search, but what the site is is irrelevant as it’s simply reporting on what the White House/doj/etc has said. I’ve linked AP and other left-wing nut job sites too when they have the correct sources even if I don’t agree with the opinions written around the sources and statements.
He had withholding status, absolutely. The illegal alien act that has been invoked, however, arguably gave them the power to disregard that and deport him. That can be challenged in court if someone wants to.
You’re also telling lies by saying that the only reason he was determined to be a MS-13 gang member was because of how he was dressed. The government has confirmed that confidential information given to them confirmed that he was MS-13. Not the current government, but the one in 2019. His tattoos on his knuckles fit the mould. The El Salvador president says he is MS-13 and that they wanted him deported to them.
The evidence is stacked up that he is a MS-13 gang member, and he admits to being in the country illegally. What do YOU think should have been done with him if not deportation to his home country where he is a citizen?
As for your reasons why the MS-13 rival gang are after him - that’s all just conjecture. It’s what an illegal immigrant said when faced with being deported to a country he doesn’t want to go back to. It could be true. On the balance of probability, given all we know - illegally entered the country, determined to be a MS-13 gang member, hangs around with other known MS-13 gang members, wears/wore gang affiliated clothing (and yes, the Chicago bulls hat is known to be a MS-13 article of clothing, even if you think it was just a coincidence), has probable gang tattoos, fears being deported - it’s probably a safe bet that what he is saying isn’t 100% true.
One aside - on page 3 of that first document it says in one section (humanitarian issues) that he has no fear of returning to El Salvador, but then under another section (intelligence information) it says that he has fear of returning to El Salvador. I’d love to know which it is meant to be, because it can’t be both. It says he declined the offer to call the consulate office in El Salvador. I’m guessing there was no update or clarification of this document that is available?
Heavy bootlicker vibes detect...
I hope you are at least paid for shilling for rthe regime abuses lol
lol ah yes, reading the facts of the case makes you a bootlicker. Good one.
You don't conceptually understand what a the term fact means or the basic legal procedure works.
You are just repeating shill op talking points relying to documents that don't support that position.
Back into the day we called this stupid but society got too woke to call spade a spade since everyone opinion has value no matter how bad faith it is.
What exactly do you disagree with that I'm saying?
That's not what happened... Judge made a limited scope ruling. No legal determination was made on his gang affiliation status. This was pointed out for you by two different people up thread.
If you can't read the original content and come to these conclusions, then you are either an idiot or useful idiot or you are paid for this, ie a bad faith actor.
You do serve a useful purpose in discussion purposes though so that other readers can see the failed tricks.
The "limited scope" being that he is a MS-13 member lol. Also what legal determination do you think there is to say "this person is a gang member"?
How can you read the original content and conclude that he needs more judges declaring he is an MS-13 member before he gets deported? (which he should be anyway, since he is there illegally lol)
The irony of you calling me a "useful idiot" is just amazing. You're arguing for an illegal immigrant violent gang member, who has just ignored multiple court appearances in the past, to be brought back into the USA where he has no right to be in the first place. To make it even dumber, you're demanding he be deported from his country of residence lol. Who is being played like a fiddle here again?
"But I just want him to have his due process!" I hear you scream. Where was his "due process" to enter the country? He already had his "due process" in immigration court where he was ordered to be deported and determined to be a gang member. What more "due process" do you actually want? Like specifically - what do you want done with him if he is brought back into the USA?
You dont under the legal process and what due process entails.
This ain't rocket science. But sure you can keep making these idiotic arguments that have no basis in fact or law while sourcing it with poorly stapled shill op website making up narratives
So you can't answer this?
I want the law to be followed and due process provided. This is what this discussion is about...
But you are not here for that. You got shilling some clown talking points to support the regime because you are a bootlicker.
Still can't answer the question lol
What law and what due process?
What process was not followed? What court case should he have if brought back?
If you can't answer these it's pretty clear you're a "bad faith actor".
Sure buddy ;)
Ok cool, so you definitely don't even know what "due process" he wasn't given, nor what "due process" he should be given.
Sums up the mentality of most of the people who are melting down over the deportation of a violent illegal immigrant gang member.
You know exactly what that site is, you lying propagandist POS. Get tf out.
lol I don't, and I'll just direct you to the first paragraph of my previous post.
BTW are you saying that what they are reporting the White House/DOJ are saying is incorrect? Not that the white house is incorrect, but that what that site is saying the White House is saying is incorrect.