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[โ€“] AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

There is no such thing as toxic masculinity

I beg to differ. I've been self-repressed for many years from speaking about my problems with my close ones because of toxic aspects of the social understanding of masculinity that I absorbed.

[โ€“] pachrist@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago

Same, but when I began really looking at it and trying to overcome it, I found it's a very universal experience, certainly not divided by gender.

When you look at these odd archetypes of what people want out of the ideal man or woman, they all share the same core. Strong, independent, doesn't need help, doesn't want help. The individualistic experience is such a sad, lonely, miserable, experience. They want to be able to go it alone, but in hundreds of thousands of years of truly human existence, going it alone is such an exception. Our weights and burdens and lives are meant to be shared. They always have been and always will be.

For example, I have a 4 year old son who has been infatuated with ballet for a couple months now. There are dads today who are beating their sons for liking ballet. It's terrible. But it's not that ballet is "queer" or that men don't do ballet. There are plenty of men who are queer. There are plenty of men who do ballet. But, I don't do ballet. If I beat my son, it's because I am making it about myself. I don't want a son who does ballet. That is as narcissistic and individualistic as it gets.

That's not to say that it's not toxic masculinity, just that the toxic masculinity is narcissism in a trench coat.