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The fact the internet actually works at all is nuts.
It works in the same way the economy works: a weird mutual trust between all parties involved, until some asshats tried to fuck people, and then we had to create authorities to validate all transactions to mitigate the asshats, but now those authorities are becoming asshats themselves.
Market economies have authority from the very beginning. You have to take land and resources away from people communally using them, and then keep them from using them again with soldiers or police.
Surely bartering is authority independent? I do agree that without initial regulation, some asshats come and bully themselves into power to increase their trading ability, but I'd say that says more about humans than about markets
Yes I agree bartering is mostly as you describe. I only want to point out that economies are not only bartering, and that no one should ignore the authoritarian nature of how a "market economy" is formed and maintained.
OP also presupposes some kind of communal thing was happening before or by default. Not everyone here is an anarchist.
You don't need to be an anarchist to presuppose that was the case.
I mean, I guess you could be an anarchist who just doesn't want anarchy, or something like that.
The default, most common view is that power vacuums inevitably fill, not that they're the natural state of things.
Barter was very rare in pre market economies. People weren't trading potatoes for furniture.
You would barter with people you never expected to see again. People you lived with you would owe them one.
No, there's tons of records of barter in ancient Egypt, and it actually lasted until the Greeks came and forced the use of silver drachmae on them.
Gift economies existed too, but they weren't universal. Just helping family and close friends out was and is universal, but it sounds like you're thinking of more than that.