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To be clear, the current tariff execution is reckless and poorly planned. But I hear a lot of total tariff opposition from the same people who demand we continue to escalate with China over control of Taiwan, up to a potential hot war.

So what’s the plan? Western economies were brought to their knees during just a momentary interruption in shipping during the pandemic. How do you wage a war with a country that does all of your manufacturing? China could defeat most western countries without firing a single shot, just by cutting off their access to Chinese exports.

If you don’t support tariffs to bring back manufacturing jobs domestically, how do you think we could make it through a war with our manufacturing partners? I can’t reconcile the two ideas, and I don’t understand how some of y’all are.

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[–] whyrat@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

My facts were provided and cited? I'd argue your positions are the ones not related to the facts:

aerospace and military manufacturers are saying there are certain components they simply can’t manufacture here without importing from China

This is a media statement, not a fact, and not reflected in industry data nor historical examples. There's a cost they don't want to pay, not a hard block. Manufacturing has historically been more than able to adjust, but at a cost. In the event of a war we'd likely pay that cost, in the face of tariffs it's up to those individual manufacturers to decide. So we might see them choose to keep importing instead of replacing certain components... But that does not then mean they couldn't do so.

I don’t understand how you have maintained this perspective of interruptions and shipping affecting the US more than China

I didn't claim this at all? And I won't argue it as relevant since interrupting shipping globally is not a relevant equivalent to bilateral trade halting.

I don't feel like you're making arguments in good faith, or you are disregarding my claims and raising straw man arguments... Apologies in advance as I'll likely not continue this thread.