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[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

A weather report can be classified. Something that’s been published in the NY Times might be classified ... could ... could ... could ... could ... could ...

Not all classified information is about a military operation that’s set to kick off in a few hours.

...and? Not all classified info is benign shit either. I didn't personally assess the contents of Hillary's server, or Bush's server, or all the idiots using private email, but I'm not going to give any of them the benefit of the doubt and assume their specific infractions are harmless. Fuck that. They know the rules, they need to follow them.

Hillary Clinton was very thoroughly investigated and the classified information was a big nothing-burger. Or do you honestly believe the Trump administration gave her a pass because they’re benevolent?

Nothing ever happens to any of these dipshits. Every fucking administration gives the one before it a pass for this shit, and that's what makes me so mad about it this. It needs to stop.

It’s illegal to use government property for campaign purposes. Obviously Clinton was working towards a presidential campaign (she was working towards it her entire life) so the laws necessitated her to have emails related to that not be on a government server (government property).

It's also illegal to store classified info on the non-government machine you're using to run a campaign. Classification aside, is it really too much to expect her to know the difference between work related vs private communication? Most people have a pretty solid hold on that about 5 minutes after accepting their first job that requires them to use a company/agency email...

Sorry, Hilary’s emails wasn’t anything. You were just told that over and over again until it started to sound like there might be something to it. But it was nothing.

No, I was active duty when the situation was first breaking, and joined the DoD in a collective facepalm and angry "this shit again?!" cuz if any of us did it, we'd be court martialed.

You may not want it to be anything, and you might try to rationalize that by assuming a best case scenario or contrasting it against fuckers like Trump who are orders of magnitude worse, but that doesn't give Hillary or anyone before or after her a pass.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Classification aside, is it really too much to expect her to know the difference between work related vs private communication?

There can be information that's classified, then a reporter finds out about it and it gets printed in the NY Times. But that information is still classified. So you can simultaneously be discussing something that's public knowledge and also classified.

But you're upset about things like that happening because you were on active duty and probably getting Fox News blasted at you 24/7 in the mess hall and you got suckered by it. You don't want to admit you're a sucker (as your President says you are), so you're going to go on pretending that you have some special knowledge that no one else has.

Hilary Clinton is a smart woman and Trump and his gang are a bunch of morons. Your country is fucked and it's not going to get any better until y'all can start admitting that you got scammed.

There can be information that’s classified, then a reporter finds out about it and it gets printed in the NY Times. But that information is still classified.

Correct.

So you can simultaneously be discussing something that’s public knowledge and also classified.

Semi-correct. If you're in a position of knowledge about the classified info, you don't discuss it in earshot of people without a need to know whether ir not it's public knowledge. You just drop a bunch of "no comment" or "I can neither confirm nor deny" or "that's classified, I can't say shit."

Fox News blasted at you 24/7 in the mess hall and you got suckered by it.

I was blue-leaning when I joined, and blue-as-fuck by the time I separated. I had a healthy hatred for Fox from day one. Working in an on-base hospital, the only time the news was on was in the breakroom and I was pretty quick to change the channel and then lecture the dipshits who were in there before me about putting political shit on at work. The second time I ran into that, I bitched up the chain, and they threatened the entire department to have the TV removed from the breakroom if it became an ongoing issue. Still popped up occasionally, but honestly that shit's way worse at the civilian hospital I work at now than anything I ran into in the military. In all fairness though, medical USAF is probably the bluest slice of the military there is; and I live in the cousin-fuckingly-deep-south right now, which is home to the reddest slice of the healthcare community there is, so contrasting the two definitely isn't reflective of either 'whole' that either of those slices belong to.

...I got most of my news from Reddit at that time; which isn't to say I'm above getting duped like anyone else, but one of the things I like about these kinds of link aggregates is that you can get multiple perspectives from breaking news at a fairly quick glance.

(as your President says you are)

I mean, they did get me with the healthcare and college. Also fuck that guy.

so you’re going to go on pretending that you have some special knowledge that no one else has.

What? Did you even read my rant? Half my take was on the basis that I specifically didn't know shit - I was an e-nothing medic - but even as an e-nothing medic I had to take regular training to ensure the infosec shit was absolutely drilled into my brain. It was common knowledge even for folks like me who don't handle classified info at all. The whole point was to contrast myself against someone like a Secretary of State whose knowledge about how to handle classified info should blow my dumb ass out of the water; but that even my dumb ass could recognize the incredibly blatant fuckups.

Hilary Clinton is a smart woman

Correct. But that doesn't mean she can't make bad choices.

Trump and his gang are a bunch of morons.

Semi-correct. Trump and his gang play an extremely convincing gaggle of village idiots, and while there's certainly no shortage of sincere stupidity, there's also a degree of planned and jaw-droppingly well executed malice coming from those traitors, and I refuse to dismiss it as just stupid people blundering their way through a series of mistakes that just so happen exclusively fuck up our own country and allies while strengthening our enemies. The existence of these shitstains is the most convincing RL parallel to the Darth Jar Jar fan theory I'm aware of: so long as you can play a convincing-enough dumbass, you can get away with a ridiculous amount of evil.

So, I'd encourage you and anyone else reading this to focus less on the stupid and more on the malice. The stupid is distracting; the malice highlights Trump and his circle as domestic enemies to the US.

Your country is fucked and it’s not going to get any better until y’all can start admitting that you got scammed.

My country is fucked because two-thirds of us either actively wanted an enemy of the US to be our president, or were so undisturbed by that possibility that they couldn't even be bothered to color in a quarter-inch rectangle to stop it. Most of us are some combination of stupid, apathetic, or evil; and I have zero faith that's going to change any time soon. Idk what country you're in, but pressure your representatives to put and keep the pressure on us - first step to us getting our shit together is for the 'find out' stage to hurt bad enough to make a lasting impression.