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The conservatives of incoming chancellor Friedrich Merz and their likely center-left coalition partner, the Social Democratic Party (SPD), have agreed to demand the bloc withhold funds and suspend voting rights from countries that violate key principles such as the rule of law, according to a draft coalition agreement seen by POLITICO.

While Hungary wasn’t mentioned by name, the draft agreement is clearly referring to the EU’s worst offender, which for years has been accused of taking a wrecking ball to democratic norms, curtailing the freedom of the press and restricting the independence of judges.

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[–] deoliveira@feddit.org 26 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

EU really needs a way to kick out members. Hungary doesn't care about EU.

[–] Kornblumenratte@feddit.org 3 points 19 hours ago

Nah – withdrawing voting rights and funding suffices. Perhaps remove the right for citizens to freely move within the EU as well. You need sticks and carrots, not only sticks.

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They care about the EU money quite a lot, not so much the ideology.

I stand by the training that if a county would fall below the standards that are required to enter the EU, procedures should start to expell them.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 2 points 20 hours ago

That's all well and good, but the Geman car manufacturing industry liked the whole setup before Orbán became a problem. You are not fighting against Hungarians here, you are fighting European big business, especially German big business.

If you are looking for the receipts for how this went so wrong, look no further than Angela Merkel.

Volkswagen would have to get all their engines through customs if Hungary got kicked out, and they have a bigger say in EU policy than you, or the whole of the NL for that matter. It's not good that this is like this, but we are all victims here.

Except at least Budapest has been protesting this for 15 years, while the wider EU populace has been content for their money to get stolen to oppress Hungary. Most of Hungary is more on board with European values than the Netherlands by the way.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 30 points 2 days ago (1 children)

We need to care about Hungary and the Hungarian people. Kick out Orban!

[–] deoliveira@feddit.org 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

If Hungary is kicked out, maybe the Hungarian people will finally turn on Orban.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 2 points 20 hours ago

Hungarian people in general have already turned on Orbán, mostly because the infinite money the EU was funding his propaganda machine with was disturbed.

Orbán has broken down Hungarian society with the help of Merkel in exchange for the complete destruction of Hungarian worker's protections to help the German car industry. The Hungarian people are victims here, the perpetrator is Orbán, but the weapon was all EU funded due to German diplomacy.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Nah, orban would kust cramp down on power more if the EU laws and regulations were removed.

[–] GoodOleAmerika@lemmy.world 0 points 20 hours ago

I don't think any eastern European country does.

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Best they can do right now is make their presence in the EU hell with whatever measures they have. Either they'll start acting right or they'll fucking leave. Hungary's residents don't seem to want to get rid of Orban or his crew. They have a chance in 2026 with Peter Magyar, but my expectations are very low.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

wait is he really named "Peter Hungarian"?

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] lime@feddit.nu 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

yeah, it's the hungarian word for the hungarian language. it could be one of those situations where the actual meaning is "the language" or something, hungarian is a very unique language.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No, it means both like in English. It is not an uncommon surname either.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

like in english? i don't think i follow

[–] blueridge@feddit.nu 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It means both as in both Hungarian the nationality and Hungarian the language?

Like in English: "The English speak English".

[–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 1 day ago

ooooooh, right, i was thinking that it was re: DeepL translating it as "english".