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Family, friends, others protest, block traffic in Syracuse over 2 teens killed by deputy
(www.syracuse.com)
this post was submitted on 16 Sep 2023
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If the body cam footage is anything like the police story, this does not fit here. If it already is/was, it would not be the first protest that happens despite clear evidence being available.
Judging from the security video from the nearby house, you're right.
Yikes. Seems like this Sublemmy has rules against that and wants to have an echo chamber instead. Not sure if it makes sense to keep fighting for the truth or just block it.
Fight for the truth, please! Start by finding the truth in your comment from an hour ago:
① As mentioned earlier, the cop had his bodycam turned off.
② The only surveillance video that's surfaced contradicts the official story.
③ Then you offer a slam at the protesters, saying "it would not be the first protest that happens despite clear evidence being available."
What you've said reads like what a "Blue Lives Matter" activist might post, more than a "fight for the truth."
Perhaps I've misunderstood, though. Please explain.
I have seen enough videos of both sides acting like pure cancer to know that both side lie all the time. And just like cancerous cops get covered by their peers do cancerous criminals get covered by their peers. It is a fucked up world. Witness statements from any of those involved are next to worthless, so finding out what really happened if not easy. But it should always be top priority.
Just looked at the video, does it contradict it? By how much? Criminals fleeing, disregard his live, he opens fire instead of jumping out of the way (which I assume is his right since that is assault with a deadly weapon?). Surely whatever crime it was, it was not worth someone's live. Regarding the bodycam: if he turned it off, it was before shit went down. There was no time do to anything once he arrived, well, except draw his gun and kill 2, as per his training :(
Rule 2 warning: If you're here to support the police, you're trolling. Please exercise your right to remain silent.
You're redefining words to justify silencing differing opinions. Be mighty careful that you do not become the very monster you claim to fight against.
Trying my best, mate.
Rule 2 reminder: If you're here to support the police, you're trolling. Please exercise your right to remain silent.
Also, there is no bodycam footage. The cop had his camera off.
Rules are good and all but suppressing any and all dissenting voices on the basis of dissent alone is just creating echo chambers which leads to people who can't or won't think critically.
Agreed.