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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.

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ALLIES

!abolition@slrpnk.net

!acab@lemmygrad.ml

r/ACAB

r/BadCopNoDonut/

Randy Balko

The Civil Rights Lawyer

The Honest Courtesan

Identity Project

MirandaWarning.org

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INFO

A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions

Adultification

Cops aren't supposed to be smart

Don't talk to the police.

Killings by law enforcement in Canada

Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom

Killings by law enforcement in the United States

Know your rights: Filming the police

Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)

Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.

Police lie under oath, a lot

Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak

Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street

Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States

So you wanna be a cop?

When the police knock on your door

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ORGANIZATIONS

Black Lives Matter

Campaign Zero

Innocence Project

The Marshall Project

Movement Law Lab

NAACP

National Police Accountability Project

Say Their Names

Vera: Ending Mass Incarceration

 

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[–] DougHolland@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Fight for the truth, please! Start by finding the truth in your comment from an hour ago:

If the body cam footage is anything like the police story, this does not fit here. If it already is/was, it would not be the first protest that happens despite clear evidence being available.

① As mentioned earlier, the cop had his bodycam turned off.

② The only surveillance video that's surfaced contradicts the official story.

③ Then you offer a slam at the protesters, saying "it would not be the first protest that happens despite clear evidence being available."

What you've said reads like what a "Blue Lives Matter" activist might post, more than a "fight for the truth."

Perhaps I've misunderstood, though. Please explain.

[–] Eheran@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I have seen enough videos of both sides acting like pure cancer to know that both side lie all the time. And just like cancerous cops get covered by their peers do cancerous criminals get covered by their peers. It is a fucked up world. Witness statements from any of those involved are next to worthless, so finding out what really happened if not easy. But it should always be top priority.

Just looked at the video, does it contradict it? By how much? Criminals fleeing, disregard his live, he opens fire instead of jumping out of the way (which I assume is his right since that is assault with a deadly weapon?). Surely whatever crime it was, it was not worth someone's live. Regarding the bodycam: if he turned it off, it was before shit went down. There was no time do to anything once he arrived, well, except draw his gun and kill 2, as per his training :(

[–] DougHolland@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Rule 2 warning: If you're here to support the police, you're trolling. Please exercise your right to remain silent.

[–] theluckyone@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You're redefining words to justify silencing differing opinions. Be mighty careful that you do not become the very monster you claim to fight against.

[–] DougHolland@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

Trying my best, mate.