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It's not just that
Electricity providers still keep old, expensive power plants up and running, and due to merit order pricing, the cheap produced renewable energy isn't showing up in people's bills
I feel like really betrayed here, although I have to admit, that I'm maybe not getting the big picture
But also tariffs for using the net have gone up - at least in Austria.
So although the energy got cheaper, I'm paying much more - and I've chosen a electricity provider, who guarantees renewables and with that the price should be much lower by now
Hmm. I don't understand how merit order pricing would stop renewables from being used. It literally only uses more expensive sources when the cheap ones run out.
@naeap @CanadaPlus the whole reason why those old plants need to kept up and running for now is that most renewables are fluctuating and there aren’t enough storage facilities available (which also gonna increase prices by the way). otherwise the net can’t be kept stable
In your case, this means that your provider can still sell you renewables, as their net production is covering for the consumer demand, but overall, you still get the mix.
Yeah, ok, you're right with that
Still sucks as a customer as my prices are going through the roof and my heating and everything is electrical...
I'm just personally very much affected and always read, that prices are going down - but it seems, just not for me
Yeah, grid storage is a trillion-dollar problem right now.