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Ah yes, "white hydrogen". As you've probably heard, blue hydrogen is also an option - you crack it off natural gas like normal, but then sequester the resulting carbon. I guess I'll just repeat the line about money and time, though.
There are things that are harder to figure out. Landfill space is limited, but there's no other obvious way to destroy plastic without turning it into emissions, and recycling is very limited. Refrigerants are hard to stop from leaking, and although we've switched to ones that don't kill the ozone layer, none of them are totally harmless AFAIK, and the one that's really trendy is literally just high-pressure CO2. Speaking of the ozone layer, sending endless rockets through it probably isn't great.
It still feels like we've turned a corner, now that the energy all these green processes need isn't coming from fossil fuels. Before that it would have been rendered a little pointless.
While I am skeptical of biogenic hydrogen because as best we know it's another fossil fuel with limited availability, albeit one that doesn't hurt the climate much.
Blue hydrogen otoh is an incredibly sketchy proposition. Between the extra energy needed and the leaked CO2, there is apparently zero to negative benefit to it over regular gray hydrogen. (There is a study on this but it's a few (sub-5) years old and I am too lazy to find it right now.)
Given that older refrigerants have warming potentials of multiple 100x or even multiple 1000x worse than CO2 or propane, that is massive progress. Some of the older refrigerants are PFAS in addition.
Does that assume you're using external fossil fuels for the power? I don't see how that could add up otherwise.
Yes, it's definitely progress, but it's not perfect.
I think so, yes. It would be easier to be certain if I had the study right now. But even so, it appears that even in other studies, blue hydrogen is estimated to only reduce emissions by up to 25%. That's not nothing, but the vast majority of permissions continues, even though blue hydrogen is likely massively more expensive than gray hydrogen.
Fwiw, acoustic heat pumps are in development right now and they work without a refrigerant gas. That should fix the issue. :) For the moment, though,
But still probably cheaper than green hydrogen, at least in the short term. If you crack natural gas down to heavier hydrocarbons, burn them for the needed power and push the resulting CO2 into a deep reservoir there's no theoretical emissions. If the reservoir isn't as permanent as it seems or if the pipes leak obviously that changes, and compressing the CO2 can be difficult if the gas is even a little sour, so there's hurdles, but none of them seem like a deal-killer. That is, if a hydrogen economy is actually supported enough by regulation in order to develop.
Last I checked, megnetocaloric heat pumps were beginning development for commercial use. I'm really excited about that one, because the only moving part you need is a small pump to circulate the working fluid, and the fluid itself could be anything.
The studies I saw usually looked at two different levels of CCS, i.e. a "low" level of 30% CO2 is stored and a "high" level where 85% of CO2 is stored. Existing CCS plants routinely store less than those 30% of CO2 emissions, though, see e.g. the ADM Decatur plant:
I.e. in 3 years, with total emissions of around 13 Mt, they stored around 0.5 Mt, or around 4%. A couple years later, in 2024, it turned out that they caverns they used had leaked around 2% of the stored CO2.
^Pssst: CCS is a big scam^
Wow, I knew it was sketchy but not that bad. What about all the air-capture plants? I assumed they'd be processing it a similar way.
There's the option of just landfilling or reselling the carbon for a non-fuel use, I guess, but then the energy input consideration becomes very real. IIRC it's still less endothermic than splitting water, but you're introducing the risk that somewhere down the supply chain the carbon gets put back into the atmosphere, because carbon accounting is also very sketchy right now.