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Why is the federal government even allowing them to return to Canada?? Our liberal government and justice system is broken.
If they are still legally citizens, the country cannot refuse them entry to the country.
Sure, but aiding and abetting an organization that is legally recognized and sanctioned by Canada and pretty much all other developed countries as terrorist group has to run afoul of some law.
Like, what the fuck are these people saying to the customs reentry officers when they ask what they were doing in Afghanistan or Syria or whatever for the last several years? “Just some stuff, don’t worry about it”?
Edit: clarification: I am aware that it is considered a violation of human rights to render a person stateless. I am expressing surprise that the former terrorists returning to Canada weren’t immediately arrested on terrorism charges upon entry.
It doesn’t matter if they murdered half the world. Canada cannot deny them entry. Now, they can allow entry and take them straight to jail. But that is still allowing entry into their country of citizenship
Well yeah; that’s what I mean. I’m surprised they weren’t taken straight to jail, pending trial.
Our jails are crowded and some of them are falling apart. Put them in jail after trial by all means, if their sentences so dictate. Putting them in jail before trial is only a good idea if they're flight risks or a danger to others (which some of these women might be, I admit, but you need at least a figleaf of justification beyond "ISIS bad"). If they're in jail, the money to feed, clothe, and house them comes out of our tax dollars, which may be better spent elsewhere.
(That's in addition to the fact that some of them could still be found not guilty, in which case you've just held innocent people in jail.)
…these people spent anywhere from a few years to a decade aiding, abetting, and enabling terrorist extremist groups. I would absolutely consider them a flight risk and a potential danger to others, under the circumstances.
Don’t get me wrong - the US justice system is idiotic in a myriad of ways, but if a US citizen tried to return to the country after years of gallivanting around with ISIS or Boko Haram or whatever other extremist group you’d care to name (pointedly: any extremist group, not just specifically Islamic-identifying ones), I would fully expect the US customs agent to call in the federal marshalls the second it became apparent that they’d probably been off doing sketchy shit with terrorists. And I say that because I would further expect the FBI to have clued in on the fact that they’d been doing that, and would probably have a case file on them, and perhaps charges pending, and likely even a warrant out for their arrest.
Turns out we all move on from these massive conflicts pretty quickly. I married a korean
Go touch more grass please.
I don't see how you think not letting them return to the country is a responsible solution to any problem.
Making it someone else's problem is always a possible solution to your problem.
Semi /s, I think?
As Canadian citizens they have a Section 6 right to return to Canada. You know, the same Section 6 right that the fucking tantrumists thought was being taken away because no country would take them during the pandemic because they weren't vaccinated
Its a much worse situation when a government can strip you of citizenship. Not about to give that up for a couple shit birds
Calm yourself. It's not easy to deny someone entry to their birthplace, nor to remove citizenship when they have nothing else.
Stop watching Pierre and his endless drama and you'll be fine.
Go learn.
Why isn't the liberal government just suspending the constitution?!?111??? 🙄
International reputation and wanting to be able to deport immigrants that commit crimes here
@fixerdude2 @sik0fewl
Did you read the article?
Canada is bordering on New Wave Dystopia and failed state.
Go back to r/canada.
Nah you can go back to Reddit
I like it here. There's less of you anti-Canadian trolls.
Likewise, maybe you should remove one and go back to Reddit. Make Lemmy better for the rest of us.
"I know you are but what am I?"
You are everything we've come to expect from the very best that the SinoRussian anti-Canada simp brigade has to offer.
Lmao, not anti Canadian. I would love for Canada to be strong and thrive. Under the current government Canada has become a sickly Victorian child. High cost of living and the stripping of the rights of citizens has turned the current government corrupt and drunk with power. The only way to become strong again is to unrestrict citizens and spend less across the board.
What rights, exactly, quoting chapter and verse of the Charter along with any relevant judicial findings do you think have been stripped from Canadians?
I've heard people claim that their Section 6 rights to travel across interprovincial boundaries unimpeded and to leave and reenter Canada was taken away after they drove across multiple interprovincial unimpeded because their Section 2 rights to freedom of assembly and protest had been taken away by freely associating and protesting in Ottawa that they couldn't leave Canada because no one would take them because they had exercised their Section 8 right not to be vaccinated. So obviously it wasn't Section 2, Section 6, or Section 8 so I'm interested to hear which rights you're convinced beyond question were taken away under this government.
EDIT: Downvotes are fucking useless on Lemmy. There is no Karma. No one fucking cares. So...give me all your pathetic, impotent downvotes. They don't change the fact that this is the truth.
I get throwing a lot of words at someone impressed them, but it doesn't work.
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/canada-bans-new-handgun-sales-imports-latest-gun-action-2022-10-21/
https://fortune.com/2022/06/11/canada-gun-laws-control-us-school-mass-shooting-uvalde/
https://cssa-cila.org/a-brief-history-of-gun-control-in-canada-1867-to-1945/
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/canadian-journal-of-law-and-society-la-revue-canadienne-droit-et-societe/article/abs/firearm-rights-in-canada-law-and-history-in-the-debates-over-gun-control/AFCD4D8E42EC20F06B8B51E3D0019558
Here's a bit about the degredation of Canadian gun rights and how gun control in Canada is historically used to control and hurt minority groups.
Section 33 of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms is used to circumvent the rights of Canadians.
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/civil-liberties-justice-reform-groups-165939139.html
Innocent until proven guilty, not anymore.
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/covid-19-pandemic-restrictions-vs-the-charter-of-rights-and-freedoms
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/emergencies-act-canada-2022-ccla-legal-court-1.6799416
https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/20/americas/canada-trucker-protest-covid-sunday/index.html
https://www.businessinsider.com/trudeau-canada-freeze-bank-accounts-freedom-convoy-truckers-2022-2?op=1
And all the fuckery involved with the freedom convoy, using the emergencies act and freezing the finances of protesters.
This is only the beginning. The government will push more and more to control and restrict its citizens, and most of you will let them.
You do not have the right to own a gun in Canada.
Proof
Next.
Why yes, having everyday citizens be able to purchase firearms since the countries existence, only to them remove such ability and make anyone who keeps the property a criminal isn't a degredation of rights and freedoms then you are blind.
Also, nice only attempting to refute one of my many points.
Next.
You made a Gish Gallop.
I didn't "attempt to refute" your arguments. I proved that you were wrong. You have no right to own a firearm in Canada.
Now that you've descended to name calling were done.
Rights and Freedoms. I have said many times, what you have as a right you have as a freedom, but you had as a freedom may not be a right. You had the freedom to own and operate firearms since the countries inception, but the current government is doing everything it can to remove the ability for its citizens to defend themselves, or any other lawful reason to use a firearm. To have such a right for many years only to take it away and make previously lawful citizens into criminal is a degredation of rights and freedoms. Good job also not discussing any other point and focusing on this one with nomenclature you didn't understand.
As I said, now that you've descended to name calling, we're done. If you want to talk to me you will be respectful of I will ignore you. No one owes you a response if you're being an ass.
Sounds good, thanks for not returning my points and then storming out when you lost. 👍
Danth's Law
👍 cope
You are clearly delusional. Canada is one of the best countries in the world to live in. You are definitely anti-Canadian if you're spreading this utter nonsense.
A government drowned in debt, barely able to defend itself, going through multiple crisis', and attempting to restrict the rights and freedoms of it's citizens is sickly. Much like how Victorian children are portrayed.
Like I said, anti-Canadian nonsense. I love Canada.
Not liking the current government isn't anti-Canadian dumbass. Id argue loving the government and the way it treats the people is more anti-canadian than anything.